Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-05-01 Thread Andre Engels
For the BBC article, see http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39754909 On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 8:01 PM, Pharos wrote: > The Wikipedia aspect was highlighted on the BBC and other sites in earlier > stories, before the other events happened. > > Thanks, > Pharos > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-30 Thread Pharos
The Wikipedia aspect was highlighted on the BBC and other sites in earlier stories, before the other events happened. Thanks, Pharos On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Pine W wrote: > Now on the front page of the New York Times website: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-30 Thread Pine W
Now on the front page of the New York Times website: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/30/world/europe/turkey-purge-wikipedia-tv-dating-shows.html Wikipedia was mentioned, but not highlighted, by the BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39759050 Pine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-30 Thread Gregory Varnum
Greetings, We wanted to share with you all a blog post and more detailed statement we have just published: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/30/turkish-authorities-block-wikipedia/ Thank you, everyone, for your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-30 Thread Isarra Yos
This is a great way for them to ensure the rest of the world sees those articles. Sort of. Bit inconveniencing to everyone actually IN Turkey... -I On 30/04/17 12:40, geni wrote: FWIW the two articles the Turkish state is apparently complaining about are:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-30 Thread geni
On 29 April 2017 at 22:11, Juliet Barbara wrote: > Thank you, everyone, for your messages regarding the situation in Turkey. > As you can imagine, this has been a very busy time for the Wikimedia > Foundation's Legal, Communications, Technical Operations, and Community >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Juliet Barbara
...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > > > > > False dichotomy > > > Cheers, > > > P > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread John Erling Blad
gt; -Original Message- > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors > > Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish autho

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Lodewijk
ilto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors > > Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block > Wikipedia > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Juliet Barbara
ikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors > Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia > > Richard > > Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". O

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Peter Southwood
False dichotomy Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors Sent: Saturday, 29 April 2017 9:46 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Richard Then you want to say "We the undersigned do not [etc]". Of course the implication is that everyone else does ... "Rogol" On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta. > > On 29 Apr 2017

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread James Heilman
@ Rogol The beginning reads "We, the undersigned members of the Wikimedia movement" It is the "we" who have signed the statement that I am refering to. James On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:42 PM, Richard Farmbrough < rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > Primarily this is those who sign the statement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Primarily this is those who sign the statement on meta. On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" wrote: > James > > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your > statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then > "we"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us". "Rogol" On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman wrote: > @

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread James Heilman
@ Richard Thank you. I have adjusted that sentence to "We do not support terrorism." J On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Richard Farmbrough < rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote: > "As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it is > very easy to make apple pie statements with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Richard Farmbrough
"As a movement" is a phrase which I have trouble with. WhiIe left it is very easy to make apple pie statements with little fear of contradiction, I think it misees the point. We provide information, neutral information. Perhaps we hope as individuals this discourages rather than encourages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread James Heilman
Richard I am not sure I am clear on what you mean. We are not impartial to everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom of information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a movement oppose terrorism. Made a few more adjustments to this statement on meta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Richard Farmbrough
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or at least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to some, but it could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily be pushed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Ivan Martínez
+1 to Ting's idea about a statement Also we can support from our corner sending tweets and e-mails to our local embassies. Our friends from Turkey or someone who speaks turkish can support us with a hasthag? I posted #WikipediaSansürlendi but maybe is incorrect. Best, 2017-04-29 12:16 GMT-05:00

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Ting Chen
I think the Foundation and the chapters *must* make a statement that decisively contradicts the reason of the block: That Wikipedia supports terrorism. There could be further texts in the statement which stresses our principle of neutrality and our goal to spread knowledge, but the first and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Pax Ahimsa Gethen
While editing the Turkey section of the Government censorship of Wikipedia page today,[1] I visited a Turkish-language source that was cited for earlier censorship actions.[2] When running the link through Google Translate, "Vikipedi" in the article title translated to "Wikileaks". Yikes. -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
I added it on my watchlist and will protect if needed, but the Erdogan article already exploded from vandalism earlier today, and this one stays quiet, so I normally would not expect much of disruption. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Andy Mabbett

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 29 April 2017 at 09:43, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel wrote: > Turkey has blocked all access inside the country to the online > encyclopaedia Wikipedia Worth watching this, for vandalism, while this is ongoing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_Blocks -- Andy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread James Heilman
Hey All What are people's thoughts about a response by the movement? Have started drafting something here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Response_to_2017_ban_in_Turkey Would appreciate peoples though and whether or not they think this is a good idea. James On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:51 AM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread James Heilman
What we can and should do is produce offline versions of Wikipedia content and promote them both in Turkey and to the media :-) Will try to see about producing a beta version of a Turkish medical app today. James On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 4:52 AM, Anders Wennersten

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Anders Wennersten
I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed. And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to take action Anders Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Not sure what action WMF can take to reverse the decision taken by a dictator which only concerns the territory he has an absolute authority. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to protest against and reverse this decision? A case in the Constitutional Court, for example? "Rogol" On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha wrote: > more info >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Mardetanha
more info https://turkeyblocks.org/2017/04/29/wikipedia-blocked-turkey/ Mardetanha On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote: > Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia supports > global terrorism. The Turkish officials

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
Basak commented on Facebook: "In the news, it says that, Wikipedia supports global terrorism. The Turkish officials has been corresponding with wikipedia (?) but there is no answer. The site (most probably they mean English one) includes content that supports ISIS ."

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Mardetanha
hopefully it would be technical mistake and will be lifted very soon. Mardetanha On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote: > Hey, > > FYI - sad news from Turkish. > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri* > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > +972-54-5878078 |