Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-27 Thread Leinonen Teemu
Hei, I kind of sympathize with Jens' points. Mr. Zuckerberg, and especially Facebook as a business, are not necessary in a perfect synchrony with the mission and vision of the Wikimedia / Wikipedia movement. Even if this is the case we may ask does it still make sense for us to collaborate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-27 Thread JP Béland
Wikimedia should stay far away from this crowd and its initiatives. Maybe in the future we should even get more distance between them (Facebook, Google, etc.) and us. And how that would bring us closer to our vision to have all humans have access to knowledge? JP Béland

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For your information ... an interview with Mr Zuggerberg... In my opinion there is an opportunity as he is looking for dense information.. we are really good at that :) Thanks, Gerard http://www.wired.com/business/2013/08/mark-zuckerberg-internet-org/ On 23 August 2013 14:38, Emilio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hear, hear. Ziko 2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen by many more people, they do us a service. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to the Internet. More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried to do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Kul Wadhwa
Emmanuel, I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now. Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be involved? --Kul On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, All we need to do is what we already do: make our content available for free. When we are really in their face that we bring neutral information to everyone, everywhere how and why will they deny us? Thanks, GerardM On 23 August 2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Jens Best
I would suggest to keep distance to this wannabe-NGO which more or less only exists to serve the interests of commercial players which mostly do * not* stand for a free and open web. internet.org is nothing what will serve the ideas and ideals of an internet as it is represented also by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 August 2013 10:28, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: I would suggest to keep distance to this wannabe-NGO which more or less only exists to serve the interests of commercial players which mostly do * not* stand for a free and open web. internet.org is nothing what will serve the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit : I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now. Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be involved? If what I fear becomes real,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Jens Best
Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So, actually, Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with whom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen by many more people, they do us a service. In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first of all about getting the knowledge out there. Thanks, GerardM On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-23 Thread Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada
Looks like NSA has bought some new hard drives and needs moar data. 2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com Hoi, But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen by many more people, they do us a service. In the end it is what we are about. Last thing