Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-28 Thread Adrian Raddatz
Yes, like Samuel I'm excited to see some experimentation with alternative (and hopefully better) mediums for community engagement. Adrian Raddatz On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 7:05 PM Samuel Klein wrote: > I love the idea of experimenting like this. > More like this please. The simpler and lighter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-27 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Quim, I have tried it out and created a calendar entry for the London meetup. A few comments. It isn't in the Single User Login (SUL). If I was there I wouldn't be getting notifications from Wikimedia wikis, and if someone pinged me or edited something I was interested in I wouldn't get

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Samuel Klein
I love the idea of experimenting like this. More like this please. The simpler and lighter weight experiments can be (w little drama ;) the more of possibility space we can explore. And that's a space we should all be excited by. On Wed., Jun. 26, 2019, 12:47 p.m. Quim Gil, wrote: > Hi, thank

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Pine W
Hi Quim, On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 4:47 PM Quim Gil wrote: > Hi, thank you for your feedback about Wikimedia Space. > > So far, there have been many comments focusing on _who_ has released _what_ > and _how_. Let me tell you _why_ we are proposing Wikimedia Space. People > agreeing on _why_ can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, thank you for your feedback about Wikimedia Space. So far, there have been many comments focusing on _who_ has released _what_ and _how_. Let me tell you _why_ we are proposing Wikimedia Space. People agreeing on _why_ can agree on the rest way easier. Wikimedia Space is all about Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Isaac Olatunde
The outreach Wiki and Wikimedia Space have some similarities but I don't they serve the same purposes. Regards, Isaac On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 7:56 PM Pine W Hi Maria, > > Thanks for this update. > > I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my impression > is that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The interface seems to be completely static. Then there seems to be some kind of possible interaction, which I was unable to see, as it requires registration and registration is not working for Firefox ATM. Maybe it is open in the sense that it shows to everyone what is there, but participation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Lucas Werkmeister
Why do you consider Wikimedia Space a closed platform? Cheers, Lucas On 26.06.19 11:27, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > I also generally discuss what I can offwiki (using a number of channels, > but mainly Telegram) , and leave to onwiki discussions what is strictly > necessary, but it has much

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I also generally discuss what I can offwiki (using a number of channels, but mainly Telegram) , and leave to onwiki discussions what is strictly necessary, but it has much more to do with the slowness and lack of usability of the wiki talk system, than with a toxic environment. That being said,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Frankly, I am surprised by the announcement, too. Maybe I do not spend enough time on wikis and mailinglists? :/ In general I am very curious for this new platform. I find it quite ... telling or a bad signal that many wikipedians started to prefer discussing wiki topics on Facebook (1)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Wed 26 Jun 2019 at 00:58, Amir Sarabadani wrote: > I have no comment on Wikimedia Space. IMHO it's too soon to criticize it > but I want to point out to a pattern that I have been seeing in the past > couple of months by several people in this very mailing list. > > You have been repeating

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread geni
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 22:19, Yair Rand wrote: > > I'm getting so many red flags. > > Established by WMF via secret (non-transparent) process, with no community > involvement? Non-wiki environment, with the same scope as existing wikis? > WMF-decided conduct policies? Every single moderator is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
My two cents: I'd rather have such discussions on wiki. Old browsers are more compatible with the wiki website, and it'd be more convenient and accessible otherwise. On Jun 25, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Fæ wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 18:47, Maria Cruz wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
There seems to be a trend on the part of the WMF, however, both to try to control onwiki Wikimedia communities (wiki.en current case), and at the same time divert part of the communities to closed platforms under direct or indirect WMF control. I'm also not sure anymore that Wikimedia volunteers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Lucas Werkmeister
On 26.06.19 01:22, Yair Rand wrote: > ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-18:02 מאת ‪Lucas Werkmeister‬‏ <‪ > m...@lucaswerkmeister.de‬‏>:‬ > >> On 25.06.19 23:18, Yair Rand wrote: >>> So far outside Wikimedia >>> spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki >> mailing >>> list?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Amir Sarabadani
I have no comment on Wikimedia Space. IMHO it's too soon to criticize it but I want to point out to a pattern that I have been seeing in the past couple of months by several people in this very mailing list. You have been repeating the word "WMF" (four time, for four different purposes) and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Yair Rand
‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-18:02 מאת ‪Lucas Werkmeister‬‏ <‪ m...@lucaswerkmeister.de‬‏>:‬ > On 25.06.19 23:18, Yair Rand wrote: > > So far outside Wikimedia > > spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki > mailing > > list? > > Where would you have announced it,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Lucas Werkmeister
On 25.06.19 23:18, Yair Rand wrote: > So far outside Wikimedia > spaces that the only place it was even _announced_ was an off-wiki mailing > list? Where would you have announced it, then? I asked for a movement-wide announcement place a while ago in a different context [1] and got no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Jan Ainali
Den tis 25 juni 2019 kl 23:19 skrev Yair Rand : > (Closed-source software, unless I'm mistaken?) > -- Yair Rand > Both Wordpress and Discourse are open source as far as I can see. Which one are you referring to? /Jan > > ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 25 ביוני 2019 ב-14:56 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Yair Rand
I'm getting so many red flags. Established by WMF via secret (non-transparent) process, with no community involvement? Non-wiki environment, with the same scope as existing wikis? WMF-decided conduct policies? Every single moderator is a WMF employee? Forum using closed groups, with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Pine W
Hi Maria, Thanks for this update. I hope that you can answer a question. I may be mistaken, but my impression is that the purposes that are outlined for Wikimedia Space are within the intended scopes of the Meta and Outreach wikis, as well as Wikimedia-l. I think that the community would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 18:47, Maria Cruz wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Today, the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Engagement department is > launching Wikimedia Space *[1]*, a platform for movement *[2]* organizers, > affiliates, contributors, partners, and the Foundation to share news, >