Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Ziko, it does not jeopardize the Wikidata goal -- the current language link system won't be switched off, but can be further used. Everything that is working currently will still be possible afterwards. Wikidata can still be used to represent the 99.2% of language links that are simple -- this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Amir, thank you for the thoughtful reply! Indeed our current plan is a kind of a staged deployment in the sense that we will not automatically transfer the links but let the editor community do it. On our test systems we already see bots being tried out and rewritten, so we expect that as soon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
This number, 99.2% was also mentioned on the Berlin Hackathon. It sounds much higher than what my (very scientifically relevant, obviously) gut feeling tells me. Could you indicate where this number is coming from? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I got the number from Brent Hecht, a researcher at Northwestern, who has a number of great papers published on Wikipedia-related topics. CC-ing him, so he knows I am blam.., er, referencing him :) Cheers, Denny 2012/6/26 Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com: This number, 99.2% was also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Deryck Chan
One major problem with double language links I've encountered before was that they confuse interwiki bots and therefore break things. Several articles on the Cantonese Wikipedia (zh-yue.wp) pertaining to local political and cultural issues in the Cantonese-speaking world have __NOBOT__ on them

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Brent Hecht
Hi All, Brent Hecht here :-) This has been a really interesting discussion, and I wanted to chime in with a few notes. The 99.2% is based on a quick script I wrote that looked at reciprocity among a sample of interlanguage links (ILLs) in 25 languages to address some questions that Denny

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-25 Thread Bence Damokos
Hi Denny, This is a really interesting list. Looking at the Hungarian list, I find that in many instances the duplicate interwiki link is actually commented out (in the form of !-- Source: [[en: something]] -- or !-- wrong interwikis: [[en: ..] [[fr: ..]] --), and not real duplicate links. (In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-25 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Hi Denny, TL;DR: It's a very important question, but don't worry about it too much. Just do Wikidata well as it is currently planned. Now, the full reply. I wrote a bit of an essay about it in 2008: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tips_for_resolving_interwiki_conflicts I also started a page to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-25 Thread Delirium
Thanks for this list. For the languages I know, I've started going through and fixing ones that are clearly wrong. If a number of people do that, that should improve the general quality/consistency of interwiki links. I second the other comment that it'd be nice if the parsing could be re-run

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-25 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, So may I guess that double links are usually the result of a Wikipedian who was not sure which language link to set, so in doubt, he simply put in the language links for two different articles? And in general, is it imagineable that different languages divide the knowledge in different