Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-08-04 Thread Chris Koerner
There's a great opportunity before us. If licensing and copyright are
complex, the Commons community should be the best at explaining these
concepts simply.

One of my favorite examples in this area is what 500px does to explain
their terms, privacy policy, and Creative Commons. If they can do this, so
can we.

https://500px.com/terms

Yours,
Chris Koerner
clkoerner.com
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-08-03 Thread rupert THURNER
James you are sure not to be late to the party when cameras like Samsung
Galaxy or better with Android os are available?
http://m.distrelec.ch/en/galaxy-gc200-digital-camera-black-samsung-ek-gc200zkaaut/p/30002970?channel=B2Cgclid=CL2hxpOgjccCFS7KtAodl8cDBA

Rupert
On Aug 1, 2015 2:34 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojni...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
 on
  Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could
 it
  be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors =
  VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study wikicode to be able to
  contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
 its
  a priority for WMF.
 
  While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images.
 I
  am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media
  harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new
  users to Wikipedia.
 
 
  As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English
  speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with
  ease:
 
  1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
 

 ​I don't think having a custom mobile app for uploading files is really the
 key problem.

 The quality of media capture on non-specialist mobile devices, and
 especially the general pattern of use for them, is not so good that
 encouraging people in general to upload them for use in Wikipedia articles
 is a good idea. Yes, you *can* take good, educational, useful photos with a
 mobile device, but in general people do not, and when we enabled uploads on
 the mobile desktop we got a lot of very low-value photos, almost all of
 which were deleted (and the users understandably didn't stay around). The
 old tickets at
 https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/920 and
 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53559 for example have some off-handed
 comments about this being the Selfie Apocalypse.

 The hard thing is not grabbing the media file from the user's device, but
 helping users understand what media is appropriate, what is expected, what
 is good, and what won't get immediately deleted by the wiki's community. We
 don't just want to trap people into making a one-off upload contribution –
 we want to encourage people to join the community and stay, taking several
 photos, not just one. :-) I've got some ideas about how we can gently coax
 people into understanding this without scaring them away, but I'm sure
 others have better plans.


 2) newbies are lost, when they click on Upload image and they are
  transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
 
  3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
 participants



 5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty techy


  6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:
 
  e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
 you
  have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines,
  cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines,
  Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to
  the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
  *category:Cathedrals
  in Iowa*).


 ​[Answering these three together.]

 ​
 ​Yup, that's why our main work in Multimedia right now is making it
 possible to upload a media file from whichever wiki you're on
 ​, and do so whilst you're editing. We're looking to make adding the
 information as simple and painless as possible, without letting people
 upload files without enough information for the community to triage and
 ensure are as high quality as possible.

 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717
 ​
 ​
 ​
 ​

 ​is the overall work, and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030 will be
 the integration into VisualEditor (we'll do it for users writing in
 wikitext as well, of course)​.




  4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
  need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
 

 ​That is true. The long-term hope in this area is using Wikibase (the
 software behind Wikidata) to add proper structured data to Commons. This
 would mean that we could replace categories named in a single language with
 'tags' named in all languages, which would make it both easier to
 contribute to Commons and better to find existing media already on Commons
 for the majority of our readers and editors who do not speak English.

 You can see some thoughts on this at:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commons_Wikidata_roadmap


 Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
  Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
 

 ​Absolutely. Or, at least, I hope so. :-)

 ​Yours,
 --
 James D. Forrester
 Lead Product Manager, Editing
 Wikimedia Foundation, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-08-03 Thread Juan de Vojníkov
Well,

I think the answer for the question for what Commons stands for should be
repeated. Some say images you upload there, should find a use in Wikipedia.
But is that a truth? Other time you hear, images should be usefull for
educational purposes. On the main page, I can just see a statement a
database of 27,041,767
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics freely usable
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimedia
media files which does not explain what kind of media and if there are any
limitations.

Sometimes people uploads theri collection and someone tends to delete it of
being out of scope. Other times we uploads thousands of archive pictures
from GLAM, where the majority of these imagase does not have inmediate use
in WMF projects.


Juan

2015-08-01 13:36 GMT+02:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com:

 With regard to uploads from mobiles, there have been several positive
 discussions on the Commons village pump when mobile applications
 encouraged uploads.[1]

 It is still the case that the significant majority of images uploaded
 from mobile platforms have to be deleted as either out of scope (like
 bad blurry selfies) or obvious copyright violations. We even have some
 bot-categorization of deletions quietly going on to keep a running
 track of it, and several past experiments to find ways of managing
 copyvios automatically, shortly after they appear in recent
 uploads.[2]

 As tablets with good cameras and more sophisticated mobiles are used
 to do more stuff on Wikimedia projects, the trend is improving, but
 the design challenge remains that mobile apps to which make upload
 easier need to also encourage upload 'qualification' to reduce the
 burden on volunteer administrators to do endless housekeeping, and
 mobile users need coaching/coaxing to consider copyright and
 educational value before launching their selfies and lolcats on
 Commons. :-)

 Links:
 1. Sample past VP discussion:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2013/04#Mobile_Web_Uploads_turned_off_in_stable
 ,

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2013/04#Proposed_.27rule_of_thumb.27_for_deletion_of_mobile-appweb_sourced_images
 2.
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MobileUpload-related_deletion_requests

 Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-08-03 Thread Juan de Vojníkov
 but in general people do not, and when we enabled uploads on
 the mobile desktop we got a lot of very low-value photos, almost all of
 which were deleted (and the users understandably didn't stay around). The
 old tickets at
 https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/920 and
 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53559 for example have some off-handed
 comments about this being the Selfie Apocalypse.


Thats interesting. I thought most of Commons users are skilled Wikimedians
and that would not happened. So it surprise me, that the crap came. But on
the other side you have skilled contributors, who would be happy for easier
and faster ways of upload and metadata edit.


  We don't just want to trap people into making a one-off upload
 contribution –
 we want to encourage people to join the community and stay, taking several
 photos, not just one. :-)


Thats what our programmes focuses. We got some contributors form WLM, who
now contributes under other programes. When students contribute, its never
a single contribution, they have to come with a bunch and/or collection of
pictures related a topic, which could be described in Wikpedia.


 I've got some ideas about how we can gently coax
 people into understanding this without scaring them away, but I'm sure
 others have better plans.


Well, dont be shy and let us know.



 2) newbies are lost, when they click on Upload image and they are
  transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
 
  3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
 participants



 5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty techy


  6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:
 
  e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
 you
  have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines,
  cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines,
  Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to
  the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
  *category:Cathedrals
  in Iowa*).


 ​[Answering these three together.]

 ​
 ​Yup, that's why our main work in Multimedia right now is making it
 possible to upload a media file from whichever wiki you're on
 ​, and do so whilst you're editing. We're looking to make adding the
 information as simple and painless as possible, without letting people
 upload files without enough information for the community to triage and
 ensure are as high quality as possible.

 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717
 ​
 ​
 ​
 ​

 ​is the overall work, and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030 will be
 the integration into VisualEditor (we'll do it for users writing in
 wikitext as well, of course)​.


 Thats nice to hear and it is deffinitely a great work. Unfortunatelly old
editors does not like new features - both of your groups Multimedia and VE
needs kind of specialist to promote your great work!





  4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
  need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
 

 ​That is true. The long-term hope in this area is using Wikibase (the
 software behind Wikidata) to add proper structured data to Commons. This
 would mean that we could replace categories named in a single language with
 'tags' named in all languages, which would make it both easier to
 contribute to Commons and better to find existing media already on Commons
 for the majority of our readers and editors who do not speak English.

 You can see some thoughts on this at:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commons_Wikidata_roadmap


Well, it would be better to have it faster.






Juandev
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-08-01 Thread
With regard to uploads from mobiles, there have been several positive
discussions on the Commons village pump when mobile applications
encouraged uploads.[1]

It is still the case that the significant majority of images uploaded
from mobile platforms have to be deleted as either out of scope (like
bad blurry selfies) or obvious copyright violations. We even have some
bot-categorization of deletions quietly going on to keep a running
track of it, and several past experiments to find ways of managing
copyvios automatically, shortly after they appear in recent
uploads.[2]

As tablets with good cameras and more sophisticated mobiles are used
to do more stuff on Wikimedia projects, the trend is improving, but
the design challenge remains that mobile apps to which make upload
easier need to also encourage upload 'qualification' to reduce the
burden on volunteer administrators to do endless housekeeping, and
mobile users need coaching/coaxing to consider copyright and
educational value before launching their selfies and lolcats on
Commons. :-)

Links:
1. Sample past VP discussion:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2013/04#Mobile_Web_Uploads_turned_off_in_stable,
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2013/04#Proposed_.27rule_of_thumb.27_for_deletion_of_mobile-appweb_sourced_images
2. 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MobileUpload-related_deletion_requests

Fae

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-07-31 Thread James Forrester
On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs on
 Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could it
 be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors =
 VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study wikicode to be able to
 contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks its
 a priority for WMF.

 While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images. I
 am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media
 harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new
 users to Wikipedia.


 As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English
 speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with
 ease:

 1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload


​I don't think having a custom mobile app for uploading files is really the
key problem.

The quality of media capture on non-specialist mobile devices, and
especially the general pattern of use for them, is not so good that
encouraging people in general to upload them for use in Wikipedia articles
is a good idea. Yes, you *can* take good, educational, useful photos with a
mobile device, but in general people do not, and when we enabled uploads on
the mobile desktop we got a lot of very low-value photos, almost all of
which were deleted (and the users understandably didn't stay around). The
old tickets at
https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/920 and
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53559 for example have some off-handed
comments about this being the Selfie Apocalypse.

The hard thing is not grabbing the media file from the user's device, but
helping users understand what media is appropriate, what is expected, what
is good, and what won't get immediately deleted by the wiki's community. We
don't just want to trap people into making a one-off upload contribution –
we want to encourage people to join the community and stay, taking several
photos, not just one. :-) I've got some ideas about how we can gently coax
people into understanding this without scaring them away, but I'm sure
others have better plans.


2) newbies are lost, when they click on Upload image and they are
 transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons

 3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our participants



5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty techy


 6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:

 e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times you
 have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines,
 cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines,
 Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to
 the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
 *category:Cathedrals
 in Iowa*).


​[Answering these three together.]

​
​Yup, that's why our main work in Multimedia right now is making it
possible to upload a media file from whichever wiki you're on
​, and do so whilst you're editing. We're looking to make adding the
information as simple and painless as possible, without letting people
upload files without enough information for the community to triage and
ensure are as high quality as possible.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91717
​
​
​
​

​is the overall work, and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40030 will be
the integration into VisualEditor (we'll do it for users writing in
wikitext as well, of course)​.




 4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
 need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue


​That is true. The long-term hope in this area is using Wikibase (the
software behind Wikidata) to add proper structured data to Commons. This
would mean that we could replace categories named in a single language with
'tags' named in all languages, which would make it both easier to
contribute to Commons and better to find existing media already on Commons
for the majority of our readers and editors who do not speak English.

You can see some thoughts on this at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Multichill/Commons_Wikidata_roadmap


Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
 Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?


​Absolutely. Or, at least, I hope so. :-)

​Yours,
-- 
James D. Forrester
Lead Product Manager, Editing
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester

On 31 July 2015 at 06:48, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojni...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs on
 Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could it
 be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors =
 VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study wikicode to be able to
 contribute. 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-07-31 Thread Jan Ainali
Some thoughts inline.

2015-07-31 15:48 GMT+02:00 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojni...@gmail.com:

 Hi,

 1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload


Well, there is one [1] (but not supported by WMF and only for iOS so far).


 2) newbies are lost, when they click on Upload image and they are
 transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons


 3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our participants


On svwiki we added ?uselang=sv on the link to Commons and made sure that
the Uploadwizard is translated to Swedish. It makes for a smoother
transition.



 4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
 need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue


It might, just might, become easier when structured data on Commons is done.



 5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty techy

 6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:

 e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times you
 have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines,
 cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines,
 Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to
 the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
 *category:Cathedrals
 in Iowa*).


There is an option in the Uploadwizard to copy exactly those things from
the first image to all the others,  it is super handy.

/Jan

[1] https://itunes.apple.com/en/app/id962894692
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-07-31 Thread Bahodir Mansurov
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 11:37:19 -0400, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se  
wrote:



Some thoughts inline.

2015-07-31 15:48 GMT+02:00 Juan de Vojníkov juandevojni...@gmail.com:


Hi,

1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload



Well, there is one [1] (but not supported by WMF and only for iOS so  
far).

There is one for android too [1].

[1] https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.wikimedia.commons

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-07-31 Thread Andrew Lih
FYI, for those interested in uploading to Commons, there was an interesting
presentation at Wikimania about usability testing this.

https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-96

The short answer to your very valid question -- licenses and copyright are
complicated legal issues when it comes to media. That creeps over into
usability in ways that are probably going to be very hard to solve.

-Andrew


On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Juan de Vojníkov juandevojni...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi,

 I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs on
 Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could it
 be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors =
 VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study wikicode to be able to
 contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks its
 a priority for WMF.

 While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images. I
 am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media
 harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new
 users to Wikipedia.


 As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English
 speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with
 ease:

 1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload

 2) newbies are lost, when they click on Upload image and they are
 transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons

 3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our participants

 4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
 need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue

 5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty techy

 6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:

 e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times you
 have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines,
 cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines,
 Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to
 the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
 *category:Cathedrals
 in Iowa*).

 Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle images
 much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects -
 Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in Commons.
 Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
 Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?

 Thank you very much for your concern!

 Regards,

 Juandev
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-07-31 Thread Pierre-Selim
2015-07-31 19:54 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com:

 FYI, for those interested in uploading to Commons, there was an interesting
 presentation at Wikimania about usability testing this.

 https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-96

 The short answer to your very valid question -- licenses and copyright are
 complicated legal issues when it comes to media. That creeps over into
 usability in ways that are probably going to be very hard to solve.


I guess it adds complexity for sure, however it doesn't explains why we
still can't do
a proper image rotation or crop without hacking around JS or bots (which
makes things
complicated when the volunteer maintainer has enough of fixing is code due
to change
mediawiki).




 -Andrew


 On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Juan de Vojníkov 
 juandevojni...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
 on
  Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not, could
 it
  be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors =
  VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study wikicode to be able to
  contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
 its
  a priority for WMF.
 
  While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by images.
 I
  am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media
  harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring new
  users to Wikipedia.
 
 
  As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English
  speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia with
  ease:
 
  1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
 
  2) newbies are lost, when they click on Upload image and they are
  transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
 
  3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
 participants
 
  4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only, we
  need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
 
  5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty techy
 
  6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:
 
  e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
 you
  have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines,
  cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des Moines,
  Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c) to
  the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
  *category:Cathedrals
  in Iowa*).
 
  Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle images
  much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects -
  Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in
 Commons.
  Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
  Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
 
  Thank you very much for your concern!
 
  Regards,
 
  Juandev
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-07-31 Thread Juan de Vojníkov
*Jan Ainali:* thx for the link, we will have a look on that.

*Bahodir Mansurov:* that sounds great. Most of the people here use Android.
We will deffinitely test it.

*Andrew Lih:* I havent catched the point. The presentation was about
usability and how to run it. For image uploads we can run it just once or
maybe 3 times (different target groups). I hope we dont have to run it in
all countries and all languages to get some needs and be able to request
developers to make changes into software?!

If I understood well this team does not performed enough tests yet, so
thats why they talk in general about Usability Testing?

Or maybe I miss something, you are talking about licenses. I dont
understand how licenses are related to this issue? *I am just guessing:*
Foundation is afraid to use easy mobile app for upload, because people will
massively break license? Is that a point? Did Commons colapsed with Instant
Commons? Did we got some images, when Instant Commons was enabled in MW
distribution?

Juandev

2015-07-31 22:35 GMT+02:00 Pierre-Selim pierre-se...@huard.info:

 2015-07-31 19:54 GMT+02:00 Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com:

  FYI, for those interested in uploading to Commons, there was an
 interesting
  presentation at Wikimania about usability testing this.
 
  https://archive.org/details/videoeditserver-96
 
  The short answer to your very valid question -- licenses and copyright
 are
  complicated legal issues when it comes to media. That creeps over into
  usability in ways that are probably going to be very hard to solve.
 

 I guess it adds complexity for sure, however it doesn't explains why we
 still can't do
 a proper image rotation or crop without hacking around JS or bots (which
 makes things
 complicated when the volunteer maintainer has enough of fixing is code due
 to change
 mediawiki).



 
  -Andrew
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Juan de Vojníkov 
  juandevojni...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   I would like to ask, if the ease of media handling (images, photographs
  on
   Wikimedia Commons) is a priority for Wikimedia Foundation? If not,
 could
  it
   be a priority? Recently we have seen a big step done for editors =
   VisualEditor. Contributors have no longer study wikicode to be able
 to
   contribute. That removes one of the technological barriers and it looks
  its
   a priority for WMF.
  
   While part of contributing to Wikipedia is still contributing by
 images.
  I
   am from Wikimedia Czech republic. We run many projects based on media
   harvest or organizing *low barrier media harvest activities* to bring
 new
   users to Wikipedia.
  
  
   As our newbies are not technologically skilled and not native English
   speakers, there is a big technology block to contribute to Wikipedia
 with
   ease:
  
   1) there is no app for mobile phones and tablets for image upload
  
   2) newbies are lost, when they click on Upload image and they are
   transferred from Wikipedia to Wikimedia Commons
  
   3) Wikimedia Commons is in English - foreign language for our
  participants
  
   4) biggest language barrier are categories, which are in English only,
 we
   need to insert name of the category in our mother tongue
  
   5) Wikimedia Commons environment is still pretty techy
  
   6) Insert metadata, takes a long time:
  
   e.g.: you have an image of a cathedral in Des Moines, IW. 3 or 4 times
  you
   have to insert same information: a) to file name (*Des Moines,
   cathedral.jpg*), b) to file description (*en:** Cathedral in Des
 Moines,
   Iowa, USA*/*es:* *La catedral de XY en Des Moines, Iowa, EEUU*) and c)
 to
   the category (*category:Des Moines* or *Churches in Des Moines*,
   *category:Cathedrals
   in Iowa*).
  
   Its 2015, there are many social projects around us. You can handle
 images
   much easier on these projects than on mother of all social projects -
   Wikipedia. Big step was done with using images allready present in
  Commons.
   Could we do something for those, who contributes with their media to
   Wikipedia? Could we do it in one or two years?
  
   Thank you very much for your concern!
  
   Regards,
  
   Juandev
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