Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread Michael Peel
Hi all, I'm still trying to figure out whether these partnerships are a good or bad thing for Wikimedia. Yes, it's good/great that Wikimedia volunteers are able to access these resources so that they can develop Wikipedia articles, and hence increasing the amount of knowledge that we can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread Risker
My thoughts are as follows: These paywall resources only make accessible information that has already been published, and which editors would otherwise have to purchase or access through other financially-restrictive means. But the same is true of our readers, who would have to check the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread Etienne Beaule
Mike has a good point. I expect Access2Research (see archives of wikimedia-l) to be creating more open research though. On 2012-08-11 6:56 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi all, I'm still trying to figure out whether these partnerships are a good or bad thing for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 August 2012 22:56, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So this is a balancing act - but I'm not currently sure which side outweighs the other, or whether the two sides are currently balancing each other out… What does everyone think? And is there an on-wiki page where we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread Todd Allen
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 4:06 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 August 2012 22:56, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: So this is a balancing act - but I'm not currently sure which side outweighs the other, or whether the two sides are currently balancing each other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread Ocaasi Ocaasi
I think there is fair reason to raise questions about the benefit of paywalled sources, despite my optimism about the partnerships. I don't totally share the concerns, but they are surely worth addressing: First off, we are not handled any ideal choices here.  Either our editors do not have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread Ocaasi Ocaasi
A few additional thoughts: This is not just a problem with paywalled sources, but *any* source which is not available free *and* online.  Not all of the sources that have been donated are solely pay-for-access; some of them, for example, you would just need a good university library reference

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread David Gerard
On 12 August 2012 00:07, Ocaasi Ocaasi wikioca...@yahoo.com wrote: This is not just a problem with paywalled sources, but *any* source which is not available free *and* online. Not all of the sources that have been donated are solely pay-for-access; some of them, for example, you would just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More opportunities for you to access free research databases!

2012-08-11 Thread Mark
On 8/12/12 1:20 AM, David Gerard wrote: On 12 August 2012 00:07, Ocaasi Ocaasi wikioca...@yahoo.com wrote: This is not just a problem with paywalled sources, but *any* source which is not available free *and* online. Not all of the sources that have been donated are solely pay-for-access;