Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy Rapid Grants

[Kaarel Vaidla]

Dear Asaf and Mardetanha,

Thank you for prompting this discussion around the potential impact of data
packages to participation!

   - This is a measure that we have put in place based on the feedback from
   the community members as well as prior experiences in the strategy process.
   - Many of the discussions for the movement strategy happen on the calls,
   because it facilitates alignment / shared understanding and is an easier
   pathway into the conversation for people who have not been extensively
   involved - instead of being confronted with a wall of text, people can
   listen in, build their understanding and contribute where they see fit.
   - Video is not necessary for a good flow of the conversation, but a good
   sound connection is really important, because otherwise it will be hard to
   follow the conversation and some key points in the discussion might be cut
   out due to unstable connection.
  - Participants are in this case losing out on important context that
  would facilitate their understanding of the process and would find it
  difficult to contribute to the conversation.
  - Organizers are having a hard time capturing the points from
  participants and do not follow-up to clarify the points, because bad
  connection has already created some frustration in the communication.
  - This is a lived experience from some of the calls in Africa and
  also South Asia - people are already there and have taken the time to
  participate in the discussion, yet they are not enabled to do so.
   - The skepticism regarding longer term engagement is well justified, yet
   that is not the main purpose of this support. It is rather hearing from a
   diverse range of voices to inform the conversations, so we can take better
   informed and more contextualized steps moving forward. At the same time we
   have seen how participation at local or regional events have supported
   people to later join the discussions of the more global nature. Even though
   the absolute percentage of such cases is small, it is significant in terms
   of involving a wider range of people and perspectives in the global
   conversations.
   - For these reasons we find it useful to provide data support and see
   that it has value in informing the conversations. We are also monitoring
   the effect in terms of numbers of participants as well as recurring
   participation and continued engagement.

Thank you so much for this conversation and have a great end of your week!
Kaarel


On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 1:39 PM Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Oh, I should have clarified: I am well aware of the fact data is much more
> expensive in many parts of the world!
>
> What I am skeptical about is giving out data packages to people who
> *haven't* been involved in discussion and governance so far, with the
> expectation that removing the cost barrier would make them contribute to
> discussions and governance.
>
> People like you, with an extensive track record of service and
> participation in the movement, are clearly valuable to support. (And the US
> prohibition on supporting work in Iran is very unfortunate.)
>
>A.
>
> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
>
> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> https://donate.wikimedia.org
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 1:33 PM Mardetanha 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Asaf, I or my user group are not recipients of such a grant but a
>> reliable internet connection could be costly especially if you need a
>> reliable connection for video/voice discussion, in the case of Iran, Mobile
>> operators offer much much much reliable connection than normal ISPs, the
>> speed is up to 20 times more and ping and jitters are far less, me
>> personally when I have an online meeting, I move to mobile broadband, so I
>> see the logic of such money could increase the participation or at least
>> meaningful participation.
>>
>>
>> Mardetanha
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 2:52 PM Asaf Bartov 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do we have good examples of where providing money for a data package
>>> resulted in substantive contributions by that person *to discussions* (as
>>> distinct from mainspace edits/uploads)?
>>>
>>> I admit I am skeptical.  But I'm eager to have my mind changed, if there
>>> are some successes anyone can point to.
>>>
>>>A.
>>>
>>> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
>>>
>>> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Foundation 
>>>
>>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
>>> in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
>>> https://donate.wikimedia.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kaarel Vaidla 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 @Stella - Thank you for reaching out 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy Rapid Grants

[Asaf Bartov]

Oh, I should have clarified: I am well aware of the fact data is much more
expensive in many parts of the world!

What I am skeptical about is giving out data packages to people who
*haven't* been involved in discussion and governance so far, with the
expectation that removing the cost barrier would make them contribute to
discussions and governance.

People like you, with an extensive track record of service and
participation in the movement, are clearly valuable to support. (And the US
prohibition on supporting work in Iran is very unfortunate.)

   A.

Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)

Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities

Wikimedia Foundation 

Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
https://donate.wikimedia.org


On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 1:33 PM Mardetanha 
wrote:

> Dear Asaf, I or my user group are not recipients of such a grant but a
> reliable internet connection could be costly especially if you need a
> reliable connection for video/voice discussion, in the case of Iran, Mobile
> operators offer much much much reliable connection than normal ISPs, the
> speed is up to 20 times more and ping and jitters are far less, me
> personally when I have an online meeting, I move to mobile broadband, so I
> see the logic of such money could increase the participation or at least
> meaningful participation.
>
>
> Mardetanha
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 2:52 PM Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>
>> Do we have good examples of where providing money for a data package
>> resulted in substantive contributions by that person *to discussions* (as
>> distinct from mainspace edits/uploads)?
>>
>> I admit I am skeptical.  But I'm eager to have my mind changed, if there
>> are some successes anyone can point to.
>>
>>A.
>>
>> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
>>
>> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
>>
>> Wikimedia Foundation 
>>
>> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
>> sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
>> https://donate.wikimedia.org
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kaarel Vaidla 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> @Stella - Thank you for reaching out and asking the question! As it is
>>> rather specific, I will respond and continue this conversation in a private
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> For everyone to note - providing data packages is indeed something we
>>> can do to support participation in the movement strategy online discussions:
>>>
>>>- We are happy to process your request for the group as part of your
>>>Rapid Grant application [1], and
>>>- We will follow-up with you if you have stated the need in the
>>>registration form for global events [2].
>>>
>>> Thank you for your kind attention!
>>> Kaarel
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Apply#Movement_Strategy_discussions
>>> [2]
>>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSclZkiCaqBDZ-BPEDw0CWOU_mv95MDUa2lY5NHUsvp9MuLEVA/viewform
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 12:04 AM Stella Agbley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello Kaarel,
 Please i need your advice, in other to encourage more women
 participation, we were thinking of giving data scholarships/packages of
 $20-$25 to at least Twenty five women(25) who might need it, but the
 problem here is since  most of our participants are in different countries,
 i do not know how to go about it, because if i make the request on their
 behalf i do not know how they will receive it. been racking my brains on it
 before applying for the grant,  and this might be the situation for
 subsequent events, since our membership spans across different countries,
 please can you propose a solution to this for me before the scholarship
 window closes.
 sorry i know this is coming late.

 Best Regards
 Stella

 On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:17 PM Kaarel Vaidla 
 wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> We are announcing the opening of Movement Strategy Rapid Grants [1].
> The grants are intended to support organizations and project communities 
> in
> organizing local, regional or thematic discussions on Movement Strategy.
>
> The purpose of the grant is to encourage community participation,
> provide the necessary online tools and software, enable facilitation and
> documentation for the discussions, and share translated information. Rapid
> Grants can support your event plans with a budget up to 2,000 USD, with no
> minimum requirement. We are accepting grants between October 26 and
> November 12.
>
> In our global discussions, we often have more participation from
> established affiliates and online project communities, and in general from
> those who are relatively financially secure to take the time to organize
> and participate in events. We 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy Rapid Grants

[Mardetanha]

Dear Asaf, I or my user group are not recipients of such a grant but a
reliable internet connection could be costly especially if you need a
reliable connection for video/voice discussion, in the case of Iran, Mobile
operators offer much much much reliable connection than normal ISPs, the
speed is up to 20 times more and ping and jitters are far less, me
personally when I have an online meeting, I move to mobile broadband, so I
see the logic of such money could increase the participation or at least
meaningful participation.


Mardetanha


On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 2:52 PM Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> Do we have good examples of where providing money for a data package
> resulted in substantive contributions by that person *to discussions* (as
> distinct from mainspace edits/uploads)?
>
> I admit I am skeptical.  But I'm eager to have my mind changed, if there
> are some successes anyone can point to.
>
>A.
>
> Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)
>
> Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> https://donate.wikimedia.org
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kaarel Vaidla 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> @Stella - Thank you for reaching out and asking the question! As it is
>> rather specific, I will respond and continue this conversation in a private
>> thread.
>>
>> For everyone to note - providing data packages is indeed something we can
>> do to support participation in the movement strategy online discussions:
>>
>>- We are happy to process your request for the group as part of your
>>Rapid Grant application [1], and
>>- We will follow-up with you if you have stated the need in the
>>registration form for global events [2].
>>
>> Thank you for your kind attention!
>> Kaarel
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Apply#Movement_Strategy_discussions
>> [2]
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSclZkiCaqBDZ-BPEDw0CWOU_mv95MDUa2lY5NHUsvp9MuLEVA/viewform
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 12:04 AM Stella Agbley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Kaarel,
>>> Please i need your advice, in other to encourage more women
>>> participation, we were thinking of giving data scholarships/packages of
>>> $20-$25 to at least Twenty five women(25) who might need it, but the
>>> problem here is since  most of our participants are in different countries,
>>> i do not know how to go about it, because if i make the request on their
>>> behalf i do not know how they will receive it. been racking my brains on it
>>> before applying for the grant,  and this might be the situation for
>>> subsequent events, since our membership spans across different countries,
>>> please can you propose a solution to this for me before the scholarship
>>> window closes.
>>> sorry i know this is coming late.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> Stella
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:17 PM Kaarel Vaidla 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 We are announcing the opening of Movement Strategy Rapid Grants [1].
 The grants are intended to support organizations and project communities in
 organizing local, regional or thematic discussions on Movement Strategy.

 The purpose of the grant is to encourage community participation,
 provide the necessary online tools and software, enable facilitation and
 documentation for the discussions, and share translated information. Rapid
 Grants can support your event plans with a budget up to 2,000 USD, with no
 minimum requirement. We are accepting grants between October 26 and
 November 12.

 In our global discussions, we often have more participation from
 established affiliates and online project communities, and in general from
 those who are relatively financially secure to take the time to organize
 and participate in events. We hope that this grant program will enable and
 support a wider range of organizations and communities to take part in
 strategy discussions.

 Grant details

 Scope: For organizing Movement Strategy discussions, for example:

-

to discuss  local, thematic, and regional priorities for
implementation
-

to prepare for global discussions


 Examples of items supported by the budget:

-

Translating materials into local languages and back
-

Contracting someone  to facilitate the calls
-

Contracting someone  to take excellent notes during the call
-

Mobile data packages for a reliable connection


 Reporting requirements:

-

A simple report from the meeting or the list of prioritized
initiatives for implementation.
-

Receipts or contracts will be needed for reimbursement.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy Rapid Grants

[Asaf Bartov]

Do we have good examples of where providing money for a data package
resulted in substantive contributions by that person *to discussions* (as
distinct from mainspace edits/uploads)?

I admit I am skeptical.  But I'm eager to have my mind changed, if there
are some successes anyone can point to.

   A.

Asaf Bartov (he/him/his)

Senior Program Officer, Emerging Wikimedia Communities

Wikimedia Foundation 

Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
https://donate.wikimedia.org


On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 11:22 AM Kaarel Vaidla 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> @Stella - Thank you for reaching out and asking the question! As it is
> rather specific, I will respond and continue this conversation in a private
> thread.
>
> For everyone to note - providing data packages is indeed something we can
> do to support participation in the movement strategy online discussions:
>
>- We are happy to process your request for the group as part of your
>Rapid Grant application [1], and
>- We will follow-up with you if you have stated the need in the
>registration form for global events [2].
>
> Thank you for your kind attention!
> Kaarel
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Apply#Movement_Strategy_discussions
> [2]
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSclZkiCaqBDZ-BPEDw0CWOU_mv95MDUa2lY5NHUsvp9MuLEVA/viewform
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 12:04 AM Stella Agbley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Kaarel,
>> Please i need your advice, in other to encourage more women
>> participation, we were thinking of giving data scholarships/packages of
>> $20-$25 to at least Twenty five women(25) who might need it, but the
>> problem here is since  most of our participants are in different countries,
>> i do not know how to go about it, because if i make the request on their
>> behalf i do not know how they will receive it. been racking my brains on it
>> before applying for the grant,  and this might be the situation for
>> subsequent events, since our membership spans across different countries,
>> please can you propose a solution to this for me before the scholarship
>> window closes.
>> sorry i know this is coming late.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Stella
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:17 PM Kaarel Vaidla 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> We are announcing the opening of Movement Strategy Rapid Grants [1]. The
>>> grants are intended to support organizations and project communities in
>>> organizing local, regional or thematic discussions on Movement Strategy.
>>>
>>> The purpose of the grant is to encourage community participation,
>>> provide the necessary online tools and software, enable facilitation and
>>> documentation for the discussions, and share translated information. Rapid
>>> Grants can support your event plans with a budget up to 2,000 USD, with no
>>> minimum requirement. We are accepting grants between October 26 and
>>> November 12.
>>>
>>> In our global discussions, we often have more participation from
>>> established affiliates and online project communities, and in general from
>>> those who are relatively financially secure to take the time to organize
>>> and participate in events. We hope that this grant program will enable and
>>> support a wider range of organizations and communities to take part in
>>> strategy discussions.
>>>
>>> Grant details
>>>
>>> Scope: For organizing Movement Strategy discussions, for example:
>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>to discuss  local, thematic, and regional priorities for
>>>implementation
>>>-
>>>
>>>to prepare for global discussions
>>>
>>>
>>> Examples of items supported by the budget:
>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>Translating materials into local languages and back
>>>-
>>>
>>>Contracting someone  to facilitate the calls
>>>-
>>>
>>>Contracting someone  to take excellent notes during the call
>>>-
>>>
>>>Mobile data packages for a reliable connection
>>>
>>>
>>> Reporting requirements:
>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>A simple report from the meeting or the list of prioritized
>>>initiatives for implementation.
>>>-
>>>
>>>Receipts or contracts will be needed for reimbursement.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apply by November 12!
>>>
>>> I look forward to reading your applications! We are available for any
>>> follow-up questions or clarifications via strategy2030{{at}}
>>> wikimedia.org.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Kaarel
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Apply#Movement_Strategy_discussions
>>> --
>>>
>>> Kaarel Vaidla (he/him)
>>>
>>> Movement Strategy 
>>>
>>> Wikimedia Foundation 
>>> ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy Rapid Grants

[Kaarel Vaidla]

Hi everyone,

@Stella - Thank you for reaching out and asking the question! As it is
rather specific, I will respond and continue this conversation in a private
thread.

For everyone to note - providing data packages is indeed something we can
do to support participation in the movement strategy online discussions:

   - We are happy to process your request for the group as part of your
   Rapid Grant application [1], and
   - We will follow-up with you if you have stated the need in the
   registration form for global events [2].

Thank you for your kind attention!
Kaarel

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Apply#Movement_Strategy_discussions
[2]
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSclZkiCaqBDZ-BPEDw0CWOU_mv95MDUa2lY5NHUsvp9MuLEVA/viewform

On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 12:04 AM Stella Agbley 
wrote:

> Hello Kaarel,
> Please i need your advice, in other to encourage more women participation,
> we were thinking of giving data scholarships/packages of $20-$25 to at
> least Twenty five women(25) who might need it, but the problem here is
> since  most of our participants are in different countries, i do not know
> how to go about it, because if i make the request on their behalf i do not
> know how they will receive it. been racking my brains on it before applying
> for the grant,  and this might be the situation for subsequent events,
> since our membership spans across different countries, please can you
> propose a solution to this for me before the scholarship window closes.
> sorry i know this is coming late.
>
> Best Regards
> Stella
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:17 PM Kaarel Vaidla 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> We are announcing the opening of Movement Strategy Rapid Grants [1]. The
>> grants are intended to support organizations and project communities in
>> organizing local, regional or thematic discussions on Movement Strategy.
>>
>> The purpose of the grant is to encourage community participation, provide
>> the necessary online tools and software, enable facilitation and
>> documentation for the discussions, and share translated information. Rapid
>> Grants can support your event plans with a budget up to 2,000 USD, with no
>> minimum requirement. We are accepting grants between October 26 and
>> November 12.
>>
>> In our global discussions, we often have more participation from
>> established affiliates and online project communities, and in general from
>> those who are relatively financially secure to take the time to organize
>> and participate in events. We hope that this grant program will enable and
>> support a wider range of organizations and communities to take part in
>> strategy discussions.
>>
>> Grant details
>>
>> Scope: For organizing Movement Strategy discussions, for example:
>>
>>-
>>
>>to discuss  local, thematic, and regional priorities for
>>implementation
>>-
>>
>>to prepare for global discussions
>>
>>
>> Examples of items supported by the budget:
>>
>>-
>>
>>Translating materials into local languages and back
>>-
>>
>>Contracting someone  to facilitate the calls
>>-
>>
>>Contracting someone  to take excellent notes during the call
>>-
>>
>>Mobile data packages for a reliable connection
>>
>>
>> Reporting requirements:
>>
>>-
>>
>>A simple report from the meeting or the list of prioritized
>>initiatives for implementation.
>>-
>>
>>Receipts or contracts will be needed for reimbursement.
>>
>>
>> Apply by November 12!
>>
>> I look forward to reading your applications! We are available for any
>> follow-up questions or clarifications via strategy2030{{at}}wikimedia.org
>> .
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Kaarel
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Apply#Movement_Strategy_discussions
>> --
>>
>> Kaarel Vaidla (he/him)
>>
>> Movement Strategy 
>>
>> Wikimedia Foundation 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy Rapid Grants

[Stella Agbley]

Hello Kaarel,
Please i need your advice, in other to encourage more women participation,
we were thinking of giving data scholarships/packages of $20-$25 to at
least Twenty five women(25) who might need it, but the problem here is
since  most of our participants are in different countries, i do not know
how to go about it, because if i make the request on their behalf i do not
know how they will receive it. been racking my brains on it before applying
for the grant,  and this might be the situation for subsequent events,
since our membership spans across different countries, please can you
propose a solution to this for me before the scholarship window closes.
sorry i know this is coming late.

Best Regards
Stella

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:17 PM Kaarel Vaidla  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> We are announcing the opening of Movement Strategy Rapid Grants [1]. The
> grants are intended to support organizations and project communities in
> organizing local, regional or thematic discussions on Movement Strategy.
>
> The purpose of the grant is to encourage community participation, provide
> the necessary online tools and software, enable facilitation and
> documentation for the discussions, and share translated information. Rapid
> Grants can support your event plans with a budget up to 2,000 USD, with no
> minimum requirement. We are accepting grants between October 26 and
> November 12.
>
> In our global discussions, we often have more participation from
> established affiliates and online project communities, and in general from
> those who are relatively financially secure to take the time to organize
> and participate in events. We hope that this grant program will enable and
> support a wider range of organizations and communities to take part in
> strategy discussions.
>
> Grant details
>
> Scope: For organizing Movement Strategy discussions, for example:
>
>-
>
>to discuss  local, thematic, and regional priorities for
>implementation
>-
>
>to prepare for global discussions
>
>
> Examples of items supported by the budget:
>
>-
>
>Translating materials into local languages and back
>-
>
>Contracting someone  to facilitate the calls
>-
>
>Contracting someone  to take excellent notes during the call
>-
>
>Mobile data packages for a reliable connection
>
>
> Reporting requirements:
>
>-
>
>A simple report from the meeting or the list of prioritized
>initiatives for implementation.
>-
>
>Receipts or contracts will be needed for reimbursement.
>
>
> Apply by November 12!
>
> I look forward to reading your applications! We are available for any
> follow-up questions or clarifications via strategy2030{{at}}wikimedia.org.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kaarel
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Apply#Movement_Strategy_discussions
> --
>
> Kaarel Vaidla (he/him)
>
> Movement Strategy 
>
> Wikimedia Foundation 
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