Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Brion, thank you for starting this thread and for your caveats. Among the challenges when creating new movement entities, or organs, I think there are at least two which we have experienced in the past: a) A certain part of the Wikipedians has a very individualistic mind and may not want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-29 Thread Brion Vibber
On Sunday, February 28, 2016, Pharos wrote: > Hi fellow Wikimedians, > > If we are seriously going to consider an expanded Community Council as an > alternative to WMF BoT reform, we need to have a real discussion about what > "devolution" would mean, and what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-28 Thread Anthony Cole
A link to Pharos's (and others') Community Council Compact: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_Council_Compact Your questions highlight the complexity of creating a new, representative corporation. It would be a lot simpler to just convert WMF into a membership organisation with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-28 Thread Pharos
Hi fellow Wikimedians, If we are seriously going to consider an expanded Community Council as an alternative to WMF BoT reform, we need to have a real discussion about what "devolution" would mean, and what specific responsibilities we think should be given up, and distributed to a broader

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-28 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
On 28.02.2016 15:53, Brion Vibber wrote: > I just want to split out a concept that came up in the big threads of the > last few days: > > Some members of the WMF Board of Trustees are giving strong signals (like, > saying it outright) that the BoT can't fully take on the role of movement >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-28 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Ad Huikeshoven wrote: > B) Another way would be to use securepoll to (s)elect a number of people in > a specific country by active editors in that country to accept certain > representative roles, for example in two way communication between >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-28 Thread Ad Huikeshoven
2016-02-28 15:53 GMT+01:00 Brion Vibber : > Some members of the WMF Board of Trustees are giving strong signals (like, > saying it outright) that the BoT can't fully take on the role of movement > leadership or community representation. Not because they think it shouldn't >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-28 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Brion, these signals indeed worry me a bit. The fact that they bring it up so directly, probably indicates they have struggled with it. If we indeed want some kind of overarching body for the movement as a whole, and the current board feels incapable to be that, there are I think a number of