Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-28 Thread geni
On 28 June 2012 01:37, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Jay, what did Jimmy expect the press to report? None of you have been doing this since yesterday. Jimmy's very petition is signed Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia founder.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Further to Jimbo's championing O'Dwyer, here is the court document from O'Dwyer's January extradition trial: [snip] It looks like these – rather than NPOV – are the values that Wikipedia has been co-opted to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 27 June 2012 at 17:56, Nathan wrote: Jimmy is not Wikipedia. What about that is hard to understand? The whole point about deliberate obfuscation is that it's supposed to blur that line. ;-) -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Jimmy is not Wikipedia. What about that is hard to understand? I would have agreed with you half a year ago. But Jimbo decided there would be a SOPA blackout, and a SOPA blackout was had. And every press article that mentions his campaign for O'Dwyer has the obligatory Wikipedia founder label.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Phil Nash
- Original Message - From: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:48 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer Further to Jimbo's championing O'Dwyer, here is the court document from O'Dwyer's January

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Tom Morris
On Wednesday, 27 June 2012 at 18:05, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I would have agreed with you half a year ago. But Jimbo decided there would be a SOPA blackout, and a SOPA blackout was had. And every press article that mentions his campaign for O'Dwyer has the obligatory Wikipedia founder label.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Thomas Morton
Jimmy's platform is Wikipedia. The media struggle to seperate the two (note the connect back to SOPA in this case) Not that I agree entirely with Andreas. But certainly I think the community could have a view on this. Tom Morton On 27 Jun 2012, at 18:01, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Wednesday, 27 June 2012 at 18:05, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I would have agreed with you half a year ago. But Jimbo decided there would be a SOPA blackout, and a SOPA blackout was had. And every press article that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2012 18:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: And hell, there really are two points of view about copyright, I understand you've not really studied the subject but there are far more than that. Let's just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Thomas Morton
On 27 June 2012 21:25, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2012 18:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: And hell, there really are two points of view about copyright, I understand you've not really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On the topic of Jimmy; Wikipedia is his calling card, it opens doors. I think he hasn't done enough in many situations to distance his own views from us; which is unfortunate. But not necessarily deliberate :)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread geni
On 27 June 2012 21:25, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Let's just start with the notion that there might be more than just *one* view. ;) Why start there? Again I understand you haven't really studied copyright but quite a few wikipedians have. So everything from copyright maximalist

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread geni
On 27 June 2012 22:05, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: attributed to the Wikipedia founder, then there really is no discernible difference between his view and Wikipedia's, or Google's. wikipedia doesn't really have views in the conventional sense. The amorphous blob that is the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org wrote: It would be interesting to see the community develop its own high profile media contacts so this view can be communicated to the world! If Jimmy can write this in The Guardian (a paper which really seems