Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-29 Thread Pine W
Trillium, I am having difficulty understanding how retaining copies of possibly forged identification documents helps anyone with holding accountable any rogue functionary or OTRS user. Can you explain that please? Surely someone who intends to misuse the tools will be smart enough to forge an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-29 Thread pajz
Trillium, while I sympathise with several of the points you're making, the Board has approved the current version of the policy. In light of this, your insinuation that the Executive Director could simply alter the policy to her liking seems somewhat far-fetched. Just because staff have not yet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-29 Thread Risker
Okay, that's enough, Trilliium. You've now made a personal attack against an identifiable individual based on gossip and rumour. Stop. Risker On 29 June 2014 10:18, Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com wrote: Pine, An analogous argument to the one you're making is: someone who intends

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-29 Thread Austin Hair
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com wrote: (I dunno, Chinese military intelligence, with whom arbitrator Timotheus Canens is said by some to be associated?) Seriously? I think you've gone on long enough for now. You can come off moderation when you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-29 Thread Trillium Corsage
Pine, An analogous argument to the one you're making is: someone who intends to rob your home will be able to get in one way or other, so why bother locking the doors when you go out. This is not a good argument. You're calling into question the reliability of every identification document

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-29 Thread Pine W
Hi Pajz, The idea that a previously trustworthy functionary or OTRS volunteer might later go rogue has occurred to me, so let's work with that example for a moment. Let's hypothesize that we have a good way (90% confidence) of verifying all submitted identity documents and that those documents

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/29/2014 03:19 PM, Pine W wrote: If you or someone else can suggest reasonable ways to reach 90% confidence that identity documents are genuine and that identification information will not be compromised while in transit or while at WMF, then I think it makes sense to require

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Richard Symonds
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Nathan
Trillium, Let's be clear about a few things. The only data that checkusers get is a subset of the data that the WMF webservers (and all other webservers throughout the Internet) collect on all visitors. This is data that is voluntarily disclosed by readers (although they may not all be aware of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Trillium Corsage
Hi again Luis, Thank you for commenting my open letter to Lila. I guess if I send an open letter I should expect open responses, however I surely hope Lila will speak on the matter, yea, nay, or not of concern to me, as I asked. Yes, I recall your previous response to my previous email (which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-27 Thread Trillium Corsage
@Nathan You said so if you want to argue that such users should be positively identified, then please make some practical suggestions (which you have conspicuously avoided doing so far). How should identities be confirmed? In what circumstances should the ID information be disclosed, and to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-26 Thread Luis Villa
Hi, Trillium- As I pointed out to you the last time we discussed the privacy policy[1], this issue (and the rest of the policy) were discussed extensively with the community, with the board, and with the previous Executive Director. It was then approved by the Board. This particular topic was