Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-21 Thread svetlana
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 12:12, MZMcBride wrote: Hi. The German Wikipedia has evaluated and decided against the default use of MediaViewer on its project (preferring opt-in, rather than opt-out). Erik has made it his mission to impose MediaViewer on the German Wikipedia using Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-21 Thread svetlana
BTW you should all love this idea: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_%28Product%29/Process_ideas#Get_local_consencus_for_your_changes svetlana ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-21 Thread
The page is already overly long and in places impenetrable, and I speak as a systems analyst with Agile development experience. A shift to plain English might be useful and more care to avoid dropping in fringe jargon like Wiki markup is not Turing complete. On 22 Aug 2014 01:39, svetlana

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-12 Thread Dan Garry
On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing, both in products and in core. There is. It's called the monthly report. See

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-12 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-12 Thread Chris Keating
Does either of you or anyone else see a valid reason to deny this seemingly reasonable and considered request? It's quite obvious that hacks to achieve the same ends are far from ideal. Why not simply disable MediaViewer by default on the German Wikipedia, as requested? In my view, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-12 Thread Balázs Viczián
It seems that poor (and insufficient) communication is a pretty widespread problem at WMF. Balazs 2014-08-12 13:25 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com: Does either of you or anyone else see a valid reason to deny this seemingly reasonable and considered request? It's quite

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Russavia
Brad On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: *Note these are entirely my own personal opinions as a community member and in no way at all represent anything official.* On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. I'm interested to read others' views about options and ways forward here. I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread svetlana
One more option: wait for WMF to make wiki unbreakable and scriptable *properly*, using something like Firefox's jetpack (which is fool proof) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Chris Keating
I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all on the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the project interfaces, as a part of that) better. That includes, for instance, trying out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread MZMcBride
phoebe ayers wrote: I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start wars, and particularly not on behalf of anyone or against individuals. We are all on the same side here: trying to make the projects (and the project interfaces, as a part of that) better. That includes, for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Todd Allen
On Aug 11, 2014 1:57 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. I'm interested to read others' views about options and ways forward here. I think the most helpful thing would be to not attempt to start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Richard Symonds
Guys, This isn't a war, it's an argument on the internet. No-one is dying and no-one is being shot at. No-one is even being arrested and I doubt anyone has even been shouted at in person. Can we please view this as what it is - a technical issue which can be resolved - rather than throwing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Brandon Harris
Your responses here are coming across as very personally targeted and focused. Attempting to demonize Erik is a mistake and clouds the issue. Erik is acting as an officer, not as an individual. On Aug 11, 2014, at 1:40 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Erik has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Todd Allen
Brandon, Are you stating that Erik is not calling the shots here? If that's the case, could someone please clarify who is in charge and asked for the new right to be enabled? On Aug 11, 2014 10:13 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Your responses here are coming across as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Brandon Harris
I'm stating that the tone here implies that Erik is some weird overlord who orders everyone around and we cower in fear and do His Bidding. It's not true. If you want to be angry, be angry at the Foundation. Targeting Erik (or Jan) specifically is a mistake. On Aug 11,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Erik is acting as an officer, not as an individual. Brandon, it is not as clear-cut as you suggest, and the lack of clarity originates at the Wikimedia Foundation. The most explicit statement I've seen on this topic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: A decision about how the public consumes Wikipedia content (e.g., Media Viewer) is an editorial decision, and it's one that the WMF has chosen to make unilaterally. WMF has furthermore moved to give

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread rupert THURNER
brandon, erik is an intelligent person. and of course at the end persons are acting, not organizations. if german elected community members, trusted ones, think it is not good enough, why not just let it be? its easy to get the reasons and act on it. wikipedia was and is community driven. your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-11 Thread MZMcBride
Chris Keating wrote: In particular, I find it difficult to take people seriously when they're suggesting solutions like disabling the German Wikipedia. I am more than a little surprised this even needs to be said. Magnus Manske wrote: Strange. I seem to distinctly remember that, yesterday on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

2014-08-10 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
*Note these are entirely my own personal opinions as a community member and in no way at all represent anything official.* On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:12 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I'm interested to read others' views about options and ways forward here. People could realize that