Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

[RhinosF1 -]

Hi Fæ,

I've requested it's taken down using
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/removals so it should be updated
soon.

Thanks,
RhinosF1

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 15:20, Fæ  wrote:

> Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
> about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
> several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
> today?[1][2]
>
> The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
> fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
> this four day old version that Google searches were using in
> preference to either the current version or older versions with more
> long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
> active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
> not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
> potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
> being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
> fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
> volunteers.
>
> It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
> how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
> Google and other search engines.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Links
> 1.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger&action=history
> 2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

[Rebecca Yael Weissburg]

I remember hearing why this happens, and that it is a concern to Google,
but I don’t remember the technical details. They want to work with us to
fix this issue. I will reach out and get more information. Thanks for
flagging!

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 8:57 AM Dennis During  wrote:

> Isn't it statistically inevitable that some offensively vandalized version
> of some WP article will happen to be the version that Google caches? I
> suppose they don't refresh the cache very often. Weekly? I know Google
> doesn't make it easy to complain effectively about such blunders.
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:20 AM Fæ  wrote:
>
> > Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
> > about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
> > several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
> > today?[1][2]
> >
> > The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
> > fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
> > this four day old version that Google searches were using in
> > preference to either the current version or older versions with more
> > long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
> > active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
> > not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
> > potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
> > being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
> > fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
> > volunteers.
> >
> > It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
> > how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
> > Google and other search engines.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Links
> > 1.
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger&action=history
> > 2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1
> >
> > Fae
> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

[Alex Monk]

I've had a few successes in the past with getting Google to remove
vandalised versions of pages from their cache/main search results using
https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/removals?pli=1 - in this case it
appears in the knowledge panel but not the cached copy of the page, so it
might be more tricky. I clicked the feedback link, then the Wikipedia
extract and wrote that it was a vandalised revision... Don't know if they
actually read that stuff though.

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 16:56, Dennis During  wrote:

> Isn't it statistically inevitable that some offensively vandalized version
> of some WP article will happen to be the version that Google caches? I
> suppose they don't refresh the cache very often. Weekly? I know Google
> doesn't make it easy to complain effectively about such blunders.
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:20 AM Fæ  wrote:
>
> > Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
> > about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
> > several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
> > today?[1][2]
> >
> > The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
> > fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
> > this four day old version that Google searches were using in
> > preference to either the current version or older versions with more
> > long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
> > active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
> > not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
> > potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
> > being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
> > fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
> > volunteers.
> >
> > It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
> > how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
> > Google and other search engines.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Links
> > 1.
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger&action=history
> > 2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1
> >
> > Fae
> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Persistence of old vandalized Wikipedia articles in Google search, especially for zombie attacks

[Dennis During]

Isn't it statistically inevitable that some offensively vandalized version
of some WP article will happen to be the version that Google caches? I
suppose they don't refresh the cache very often. Weekly? I know Google
doesn't make it easy to complain effectively about such blunders.

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 10:20 AM Fæ  wrote:

> Can someone explain how a vandalized version of the Wikipedia article
> about Henry Kissinger that was only visible for a rather short time
> several days ago, is still being promoted in Google searches
> today?[1][2]
>
> The "zombie sex" vandalism was only visible for a few minutes, quickly
> fixed by admin El C and the page indefinitely protected. Yet it is
> this four day old version that Google searches were using in
> preference to either the current version or older versions with more
> long term public visibility. In the age of real smart Google AI and
> active mirrors of Wikipedia, how is this still our reality? It does
> not give me confidence that politically vandalized articles
> potentially for the benefit of state sponsored agents are not also
> being promoted in searches for several days, regardless of how
> fleetingly they are visible on Wikipedia and speedily corrected by
> volunteers.
>
> It would be good to have a simple explanation of any improvements to
> how this works, and our Wikimedia projects pragmatic relationship with
> Google and other search engines.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Links
> 1.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henry_Kissinger&action=history
> 2. https://twitter.com/Faewik/status/1180847863854706689/photo/1
>
> Fae
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