Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-12 Thread Lucas Werkmeister
For what it’s worth, Wikimedia Germany is in full work-from-home mode
starting next Monday, and a lot of many employees have already gradually
started working from home over the past days (apart from those who work
remotely anyways, of course). Announcement (in German):
https://blog.wikimedia.de/2020/03/12/information-anlaesslich-covid-19-geschaeftsstelle-stellt-auf-remote-arbeit-um/

Best wishes,
Lucas

On 12.03.20 19:33, James Heilman wrote:
> Agree 100% with Risker. Now is not the time to be taking risk. I would be
> much happier if a year from now we looked back and said we overreacted than
> if we looked back to realize we did not react enough.
> 
> James
> 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:27 AM Rebecca O'Neill 
> wrote:
> 
>> The Irish government have closed all schools, childcare facilities,
>> colleges, universities and other public institutions until 29 March. The
>> current advice is not to have any gatherings of 100 people, but everyone I
>> had planned events with for the next month has decided to cancel/postpone
>> even at a much smaller scale.
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 10:55, Dariusz Jemielniak 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Risker,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This
>>> is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can
>>> follow suit.
>>>
>>> All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski)
>>> cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> DJ "pundit"
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker  wrote:
>>>
 Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual
>>> meetings,
 it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups
>> (formal
 and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person.
>> For
 the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the
 standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week).  Edit-a-thons
>>> and
 similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future.  The
>>> broad
 movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security
>> of
 its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is
 probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say.
 #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and
>>> our
 movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.

 I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with
>>> SARS
 patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans
>> for
 hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's.
>>> But
 given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason
>>> not
 to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a
>>> better
 sense of how this will all play out.

 Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-12 Thread James Heilman
Agree 100% with Risker. Now is not the time to be taking risk. I would be
much happier if a year from now we looked back and said we overreacted than
if we looked back to realize we did not react enough.

James

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:27 AM Rebecca O'Neill 
wrote:

> The Irish government have closed all schools, childcare facilities,
> colleges, universities and other public institutions until 29 March. The
> current advice is not to have any gatherings of 100 people, but everyone I
> had planned events with for the next month has decided to cancel/postpone
> even at a much smaller scale.
>
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 10:55, Dariusz Jemielniak 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Risker,
> >
> > Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This
> > is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can
> > follow suit.
> >
> > All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski)
> > cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > DJ "pundit"
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker  wrote:
> >
> > > Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual
> > meetings,
> > > it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups
> (formal
> > > and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person.
> For
> > > the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the
> > > standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week).  Edit-a-thons
> > and
> > > similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future.  The
> > broad
> > > movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security
> of
> > > its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is
> > > probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say.
> > > #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and
> > our
> > > movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
> > >
> > > I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with
> > SARS
> > > patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans
> for
> > > hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's.
> > But
> > > given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason
> > not
> > > to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a
> > better
> > > sense of how this will all play out.
> > >
> > > Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-12 Thread Rebecca O'Neill
The Irish government have closed all schools, childcare facilities,
colleges, universities and other public institutions until 29 March. The
current advice is not to have any gatherings of 100 people, but everyone I
had planned events with for the next month has decided to cancel/postpone
even at a much smaller scale.

On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 10:55, Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:

> Dear Risker,
>
> Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This
> is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can
> follow suit.
>
> All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski)
> cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.
>
> Best,
>
> DJ "pundit"
>
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker  wrote:
>
> > Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual
> meetings,
> > it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups (formal
> > and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person. For
> > the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the
> > standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week).  Edit-a-thons
> and
> > similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future.  The
> broad
> > movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security of
> > its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is
> > probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say.
> > #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and
> our
> > movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
> >
> > I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with
> SARS
> > patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans for
> > hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's.
> But
> > given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason
> not
> > to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a
> better
> > sense of how this will all play out.
> >
> > Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-12 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
Dear Risker,

Many thanks for sharing - I know you're a professional in the field. This
is pretty much what we're doing as the WMF, and the affiliates surely can
follow suit.

All universities I'm currently affiliated with (Harvard, MIT, Kozminski)
cancelled all classes and move to virtual meetings only, too.

Best,

DJ "pundit"

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020, 00:54 Risker  wrote:

> Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual meetings,
> it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups (formal
> and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person. For
> the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the
> standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week).  Edit-a-thons and
> similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future.  The broad
> movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security of
> its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is
> probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say.
> #CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and our
> movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.
>
> I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with SARS
> patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans for
> hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's. But
> given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason not
> to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a better
> sense of how this will all play out.
>
> Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-11 Thread Risker
Regardless of what platforms people might want to use for virtual meetings,
it is my personal opinion that all movement organizations, groups (formal
and informal) and the WMF itself immediately stop meeting in person. For
the movement entities that have offices, work-from-home should be the
standard (as it has been for the WMF for almost a week).  Edit-a-thons and
similar meet-ups should be cancelled for the foreseeable future.  The broad
movement has spent a lot of time talking about the safety and security of
its communities, and this level of social distancing at this time is
probably the best way to demonstrate that we really mean what we say.
#CancelEverything is not just a cute hashtag - it's really serious, and our
movement can be leaders in showing how it is done.

I'm speaking from my own experience (having worked in a hospital with SARS
patients and having participated in the development of pandemic plans for
hospitals), so perhaps my perspective is different from other people's. But
given there's very little downside to this proposal, there's no reason not
to take these steps, at least for a few months while the world has a better
sense of how this will all play out.

Risker/Anne
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Chico Venancio
My only hangup with jitsi is the design choice (that zoom used to have) to
drop new attendees with mic and camera default to open as the default. I
know it is now possible to change this on a per meeting level, but the fact
that sometimes it isn't me setting up the meeting made me go with Google
meet for the time being. This was in the context of the User Group Wiki
Movement Brazil (WMB) periodical meetings.

Google gave us, WMB, a free non-profit subscription to all of gsuite and it
allows us meetings of up to 25 people. Last I checked the free tier without
the non-profit program is up to 10 people per meeting.

Jitsi is superior to zoom in my view, not only the open source aspect is
important but zoom does not have a browser based solution that I'm aware
of. And a few months ago there was a serious vulnerability disclosed for
the zoom local client that kept its foothold even *after* the user chose to
uninstall the zoom client.

For now my recommendations are meet, better than jitsi, better than zoom.

Best regards,

Chico Venancio

Em ter, 10 de mar de 2020 22:53, Sam Wilson  escreveu:

> Jitsi is also integrated into Riot (the Matrix client). I was in a group
> trying it out a couple of weeks ago, and it worked really well. If there
> are two people in a room, it uses a direct connection, and if there are
> three or more it uses Jitsi (both inside the Riot interface, so there's
> no need to set up separate URLs or anything).
>
>
> On 11/3/20 12:22 am, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:
> > I am a big fan of open source, and setting up a Jitsi conference is a
> > solution that I often default too (with a bonus of having the possibility
> > to have easy placeholders, e.g. meet.jit.si/WikimediaSummit
> >
> > best,
> >
> > dj
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter 
> wrote:
> >
> >> For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work
> >> fine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314=359453254254=%2Bzoom%20online%20%2Bmeeting=b=g=c=EAIaIQobChMIsI2o0JaQ6AIVBc13Ch0VxwqZEAAYASAAEgJs0_D_BwE
> >>
> >> but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Yaroslav
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers <
> >> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not
> >>> wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd
> decided
> >> to
> >>> attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and
> even
> >>> May meetings might need to go virtual.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a
> >>> dozen to twenty people?
> >>>
> >>> I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade
> >> ago,
> >>> but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then.
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> WSC
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 13:27,  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
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>  Hi,
> 
>  I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
> >>> professional
>  team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5
> >> months
> >>> in
>  the future.
> 
>  It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the
>  situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer
> >> where
> >>> we
>  stand.
> 
>  For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is
> >> not
>  shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
> >>> down
>  the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly
>  prioritizes our safety.
> 
>  I 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Sam Wilson
Jitsi is also integrated into Riot (the Matrix client). I was in a group 
trying it out a couple of weeks ago, and it worked really well. If there 
are two people in a room, it uses a direct connection, and if there are 
three or more it uses Jitsi (both inside the Riot interface, so there's 
no need to set up separate URLs or anything).



On 11/3/20 12:22 am, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:

I am a big fan of open source, and setting up a Jitsi conference is a
solution that I often default too (with a bonus of having the possibility
to have easy placeholders, e.g. meet.jit.si/WikimediaSummit

best,

dj

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:


For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work
fine


https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314=359453254254=%2Bzoom%20online%20%2Bmeeting=b=g=c=EAIaIQobChMIsI2o0JaQ6AIVBc13Ch0VxwqZEAAYASAAEgJs0_D_BwE

but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.

Best
Yaroslav

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers <
werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:


At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not
wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided

to

attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even
May meetings might need to go virtual.

Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a
dozen to twenty people?

I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade

ago,

but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly

Regards

WSC

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:48:48 -0400
From: Dariusz Jemielniak 
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
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Hi,

I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a

professional

team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5

months

in

the future.

It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the
situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer

where

we

stand.

For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is

not

shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing

down

the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly
prioritizes our safety.

I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that

they

are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.

Best,

Dj "pundit"

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr 
wrote:


I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks

are

far too great.

A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the
potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.

I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I

strongly

hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this

year's

conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk

of

spreading it to more parts of the world.



Yours truly,

Rehman


From: Wikimedia-l  on

behalf

of

James Heilman 
Sent: 09 March 2020 22:51
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

 From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans

and

have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course

in

healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.

James

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:48 AM Toni Ristovski <

toni91ehrl...@gmail.com

wrote:


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:22 AM Fæ  wrote:

> Separately I prefer Google hangouts for a very bad internet connection
> (under 10 mb/s) which is more forgiving than Zoom or Skype as it seems
> to be better at brown-out conditions. Google hangouts is probably a
> bit easier for the average volunteer to log in to or get running on
> their kit, for example installing Zoom on Ubuntu meant setting things
> up on the command line for me.
>

In my experience Hangouts/Meet is superior to Zoom technically in pretty
much every aspect (saner UI, better A/V quality, less bugs, better handling
of poor connections, also it is just a web page while Zoom's web version is
not really usable). OTOH Zoom has more facilitation features (such as
splitting into subgroups) which might be useful in certain kinds of
meetings.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
I am a big fan of open source, and setting up a Jitsi conference is a
solution that I often default too (with a bonus of having the possibility
to have easy placeholders, e.g. meet.jit.si/WikimediaSummit

best,

dj

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work
> fine
>
>
> https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314=359453254254=%2Bzoom%20online%20%2Bmeeting=b=g=c=EAIaIQobChMIsI2o0JaQ6AIVBc13Ch0VxwqZEAAYASAAEgJs0_D_BwE
>
> but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not
> > wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided
> to
> > attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even
> > May meetings might need to go virtual.
> >
> > Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a
> > dozen to twenty people?
> >
> > I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade
> ago,
> > but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > WSC
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 13:27, 
> > wrote:
> >
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> > >1. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Dariusz Jemielniak)
> > >2. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Gnangarra)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:48:48 -0400
> > > From: Dariusz Jemielniak 
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <
> > > cadespguuq96jzaylkajfipv-isfmqvcul8nhm+scbjxagfd...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
> > professional
> > > team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5
> months
> > in
> > > the future.
> > >
> > > It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the
> > > situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer
> where
> > we
> > > stand.
> > >
> > > For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is
> not
> > > shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
> > down
> > > the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly
> > > prioritizes our safety.
> > >
> > > I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that
> they
> > > are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Dj "pundit"
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks
> are
> > > > far too great.
> > > >
> > > > A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the
> > > > potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
> > > >
> > > > I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I
> strongly
> > > > hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this
> year's
> > > > conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk
> of
> > > > spreading it to more parts of the world.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yours truly,
> > > >
> > > > Rehman
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: Wikimedia-l  on
> behalf
> > of
> > > > James Heilman 
> > > > Sent: 09 March 2020 22:51
> > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
> > > >
> > > > From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans
> > and
> > > > have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course
> in
> > > > healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:48 AM Toni Ristovski <
> toni91ehrl...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > *
> > >
> > ___
> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread
I encourage UK wikimedians to test out group meeting tools,
if only to be in a strong position to share experiences and
recommendations with other groups as to the practicalities of
substituting meet ups with virtual events. This is a subject that gets
discussed at *every* Wikimania but there is hardly any progress apart
from streaming videos with very limited virtual chat.

The WM-LGBT+ community has been using Zoom to coordinate the user
group and for the LGBT+ conference with participants using very varied
broadband access, hardware kit, and from many countries. Any
videoconference tool would struggle on a very old laptop, and my old
laptop could not handle it in real time, but modern tablets and mobile
phones can run the version of it quite successfully. We have had up to
8 people in a meeting and you share a text channel as well as having
options for seeing who is speaking or keeping a gallery view on your
screen. Keep in mind that smartphones are specially designed to handle
video conferencing, and normally do an excellent job of it.

Separately I prefer Google hangouts for a very bad internet connection
(under 10 mb/s) which is more forgiving than Zoom or Skype as it seems
to be better at brown-out conditions. Google hangouts is probably a
bit easier for the average volunteer to log in to or get running on
their kit, for example installing Zoom on Ubuntu meant setting things
up on the command line for me.

Fae

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 15:05, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:
>
> For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work
> fine
>
> https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314=359453254254=%2Bzoom%20online%20%2Bmeeting=b=g=c=EAIaIQobChMIsI2o0JaQ6AIVBc13Ch0VxwqZEAAYASAAEgJs0_D_BwE
>
> but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not
> > wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided to
> > attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even
> > May meetings might need to go virtual.
> >
> > Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a
> > dozen to twenty people?
> >
> > I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade ago,
> > but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > WSC
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 13:27, 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to
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> > >1. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Dariusz Jemielniak)
> > >2. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Gnangarra)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:48:48 -0400
> > > From: Dariusz Jemielniak 
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <
> > > cadespguuq96jzaylkajfipv-isfmqvcul8nhm+scbjxagfd...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
> > professional
> > > team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5 months
> > in
> > > the future.
> > >
> > > It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the
> > > situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer where
> > we
> > > stand.
> > >
> > > For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is not
> > > shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
> > down
> > > the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly
> > > prioritizes our safety.
> > >
> > > I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that they
> > > are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Dj "pundit"
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks are
> > > > far too great.
> > > >
> > > > A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the
> > > > potential to cause significant damage 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Gnangarra
See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_remote_event_participation on
possible options and available materials, its not perfect and there are
mechanics and costs that individual events need to addressed but hopefully
it'll help as a starting point

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 23:05, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work
> fine
>
>
> https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314=359453254254=%2Bzoom%20online%20%2Bmeeting=b=g=c=EAIaIQobChMIsI2o0JaQ6AIVBc13Ch0VxwqZEAAYASAAEgJs0_D_BwE
>
> but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not
> > wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided
> to
> > attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even
> > May meetings might need to go virtual.
> >
> > Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a
> > dozen to twenty people?
> >
> > I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade
> ago,
> > but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > WSC
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 13:27, 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to
> > > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > >
> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > > wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > >
> > > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > > wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org
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> > > than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..."
> > >
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> > >
> > >1. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Dariusz Jemielniak)
> > >2. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Gnangarra)
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:48:48 -0400
> > > From: Dariusz Jemielniak 
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <
> > > cadespguuq96jzaylkajfipv-isfmqvcul8nhm+scbjxagfd...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
> > professional
> > > team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5
> months
> > in
> > > the future.
> > >
> > > It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the
> > > situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer
> where
> > we
> > > stand.
> > >
> > > For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is
> not
> > > shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
> > down
> > > the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly
> > > prioritizes our safety.
> > >
> > > I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that
> they
> > > are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Dj "pundit"
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks
> are
> > > > far too great.
> > > >
> > > > A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the
> > > > potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
> > > >
> > > > I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I
> strongly
> > > > hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this
> year's
> > > > conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk
> of
> > > > spreading it to more parts of the world.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yours truly,
> > > >
> > > > Rehman
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: Wikimedia-l  on
> behalf
> > of
> > > > James Heilman 
> > > > Sent: 09 March 2020 22:51
> > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
> > > >
> > > > From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans
> > and
> > > > have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course
> in
> > > > healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:48 AM Toni Ristovski <
> toni91ehrl...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > *
> > >
> > ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work
fine

https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314=359453254254=%2Bzoom%20online%20%2Bmeeting=b=g=c=EAIaIQobChMIsI2o0JaQ6AIVBc13Ch0VxwqZEAAYASAAEgJs0_D_BwE

but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.

Best
Yaroslav

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers <
werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:

> At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not
> wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided to
> attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even
> May meetings might need to go virtual.
>
> Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a
> dozen to twenty people?
>
> I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade ago,
> but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
>
> Regards
>
> WSC
>
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 13:27, 
> wrote:
>
> > Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to
> > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
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> >
> >1. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Dariusz Jemielniak)
> >2. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Gnangarra)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:48:48 -0400
> > From: Dariusz Jemielniak 
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > cadespguuq96jzaylkajfipv-isfmqvcul8nhm+scbjxagfd...@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
> professional
> > team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5 months
> in
> > the future.
> >
> > It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the
> > situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer where
> we
> > stand.
> >
> > For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is not
> > shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
> down
> > the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly
> > prioritizes our safety.
> >
> > I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that they
> > are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Dj "pundit"
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks are
> > > far too great.
> > >
> > > A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the
> > > potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
> > >
> > > I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I strongly
> > > hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this year's
> > > conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk of
> > > spreading it to more parts of the world.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yours truly,
> > >
> > > Rehman
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf
> of
> > > James Heilman 
> > > Sent: 09 March 2020 22:51
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
> > >
> > > From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans
> and
> > > have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course in
> > > healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:48 AM Toni Ristovski  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > *
> >
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