Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Joseph Seddon
This conversation has very quickly veered away from the original topic and what the scope of this list is. Seddon On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM Gnangarra wrote: > yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about > enforcing Race as a concept. > > The traits you speak of; >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Pharos
Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects should reflect the scientific consensus, whether that be on climate, vaccines, or the concept of biological "races". The latter concept is deeply tied to 19th-century pseudoscience, and is very different from modern genetic science. Genetic traits have various

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Gnangarra
yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about enforcing Race as a concept. The traits you speak of; > hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain > diseases are heritable characteristics of certain human populations? Are attributes of DNA and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Dennis During
So you don't believe that skin color, susceptibility to disease etc are heritable? Have you heard of DNA? I had sincerely hoped that the equivalent of yahooist book-burning wouldn't take over Wikimedia. It's not just disappointing; it's scary. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:49 AM Chico Venancio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Dennis During
Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain human populations? Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Chico Venancio
I don't feel safe in an environment were racism is being labeled as "presenting truths". Maybe the list moderators should take a look at this thread. Chico Venancio Em ter, 16 de jun de 2020 10:42, Dennis During escreveu: > I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Dennis During
I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so painted. Does the Code of Conduct cover that? On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ wrote: > It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread
What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour. Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism. Fae On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad wrote: > > Feel free to explain how the appearance of race

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread John Erling Blad
Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not defined by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are different, and that some people may even be better adapted to the environment than me. ;) On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ wrote: > No, we do not call

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s. Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending "scientific racism" on this public list? Fae On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad wrote: > > I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread John Erling Blad
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans, whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to point out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a GoodThing™ Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should not be