Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-06-04 Thread Deryck Chan
So will there be a Wikipedia blackout?
PS. June 4 is the perfect date for such protests :)

On 3 June 2013 23:42, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 The EFF reports that this announcement by Taiwanese Wikimedians does
 appear to have had an effect:

 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/taiwanese-users-thwart-government-plans-introduce-internet-blacklist-law

 Taiwanese users were going to stage an Internet black out on Tuesday
 June 4th. Several websites, including Wikipedia Taiwan and Mozilla
 Taiwan pledged to go dark in order to raise awareness. ... After
 several news outlets reported that the new initiative was akin to
 mainland China’s “Great Firewall,” the Taiwanese intellectual property
 office made an effort to reject the comparison ... In the face of
 these criticisms and the planned blackout, the Taiwan Intellectual
 Property Office abandoned this severe copyright law.


 On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  My dear colleagues,
 
  Recently on May 21 the Taiwan Intellectual Property Office has announced
  that they will amend the Copyright Act to demand local ISPs to block
  illegal contents on foreign websites, just like the SOPA bill in USA last
  year. For more information, you can read the following news reports:
 
  Focus Taiwan:
  http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305210035.aspx
 
  ZDNet:
 
 http://www.zdnet.com/cn/taiwans-copyright-act-amendment-proposal-comes-under-fire-715943/
 
  Now there are many Taiwan netizens protesting the bill:
 
 
 http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/26/netizens-fear-copyright-amendment-will-bring-web-filter-system-to-taiwan/
 
  But today we just see an news that TIPO just ignored these protests and
  insist that this bill will not harm the net freedom and rights of general
  users:
 
  http://newtalk.tw/news/2013/05/28/36854.html (it's in Chinese, you may
 use
  Google translate to read the news.)
 
  Indeed we should protect the copyright, but to ask ISPs to block websites
  is too over-reaction.
 
  We Wikimedia Taiwan is now against the bill and has just released an
  Chinese announcement on our official website to explain why we against
 the
  bill and ask the government to stop the act:
 
  http://bit.ly/ZbvTX0
 
  We also started an discussion on zh.wp to ask the community if we could
 put
  the announcement as an global site notice, we even think about blackout
  zh.wp for 24 hours (the date is still in discussion):
 
  http://goo.gl/fXi8g
 
  This is because according to Alexa.com (http://Alexa.com), Wikipedia is
 now
  the top 10 website in Taiwan. To blackout Wikipedia in Taiwan should get
  the attention of TIPO and has some effects.
 
  My questions are:
 
  * Could we ask for blackout Wikipedia (not just zh.wp) ONLY for Taiwan
 IP?
  (Some users from China hope this blackout will not effect them)
  * If we could not blackout Wikipedia only for Taiwan IP, could we ask to
  blackout zh.wp? (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese
  community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on
 discussion)
  * If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?
  * What suggestions from you that we should do as an local Chapter?
 
  Thanks and Regards,
  Ted Chien
  Chairman
  Wikimedia Taiwan
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-06-03 Thread Tilman Bayer
The EFF reports that this announcement by Taiwanese Wikimedians does
appear to have had an effect:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/taiwanese-users-thwart-government-plans-introduce-internet-blacklist-law

Taiwanese users were going to stage an Internet black out on Tuesday
June 4th. Several websites, including Wikipedia Taiwan and Mozilla
Taiwan pledged to go dark in order to raise awareness. ... After
several news outlets reported that the new initiative was akin to
mainland China’s “Great Firewall,” the Taiwanese intellectual property
office made an effort to reject the comparison ... In the face of
these criticisms and the planned blackout, the Taiwan Intellectual
Property Office abandoned this severe copyright law.


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:
 My dear colleagues,

 Recently on May 21 the Taiwan Intellectual Property Office has announced
 that they will amend the Copyright Act to demand local ISPs to block
 illegal contents on foreign websites, just like the SOPA bill in USA last
 year. For more information, you can read the following news reports:

 Focus Taiwan:
 http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aall/201305210035.aspx

 ZDNet:
 http://www.zdnet.com/cn/taiwans-copyright-act-amendment-proposal-comes-under-fire-715943/

 Now there are many Taiwan netizens protesting the bill:

 http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/26/netizens-fear-copyright-amendment-will-bring-web-filter-system-to-taiwan/

 But today we just see an news that TIPO just ignored these protests and
 insist that this bill will not harm the net freedom and rights of general
 users:

 http://newtalk.tw/news/2013/05/28/36854.html (it's in Chinese, you may use
 Google translate to read the news.)

 Indeed we should protect the copyright, but to ask ISPs to block websites
 is too over-reaction.

 We Wikimedia Taiwan is now against the bill and has just released an
 Chinese announcement on our official website to explain why we against the
 bill and ask the government to stop the act:

 http://bit.ly/ZbvTX0

 We also started an discussion on zh.wp to ask the community if we could put
 the announcement as an global site notice, we even think about blackout
 zh.wp for 24 hours (the date is still in discussion):

 http://goo.gl/fXi8g

 This is because according to Alexa.com (http://Alexa.com), Wikipedia is now
 the top 10 website in Taiwan. To blackout Wikipedia in Taiwan should get
 the attention of TIPO and has some effects.

 My questions are:

 * Could we ask for blackout Wikipedia (not just zh.wp) ONLY for Taiwan IP?
 (Some users from China hope this blackout will not effect them)
 * If we could not blackout Wikipedia only for Taiwan IP, could we ask to
 blackout zh.wp? (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese
 community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion)
 * If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?
 * What suggestions from you that we should do as an local Chapter?

 Thanks and Regards,
 Ted Chien
 Chairman
 Wikimedia Taiwan
 --
 Blog: htttp://htchien.tw (http://htchien.tw/)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Benjamin Chen
On 28 May, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese
 community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on discussion)

For the record, I doubt if there is clear support/strong participation in the 
discussion. It is still to early to call it a consensus.

  If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?

(Speaking as a not-very-tech-savvy person) Depends on what exactly the 
community want to do. If we make use of CentralNotice's geo-targeting, it is 
very easy to implement a Taiwan-only blackout/site-notice/redirect-to-specific 
page etc. This involves no server side configuration change, volunteers will be 
able to get this done. The time consuming part is to write the banner and it's 
javascript, but that shouldn't take longer than a day of there is people 
willing to help.

Regards,

Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Ted Chien
Hi Benjamin,

Thanks for the reply.

2013/5/28 下午10:02 於 Benjamin Chen bencmqw...@gmail.com 寫道:

 On 28 May, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

  (from what we have discussed on zh.wp, the Chinese
  community has agreed on such blackout, but the date is still on
discussion)

 For the record, I doubt if there is clear support/strong participation in
the discussion. It is still to early to call it a consensus.

The discussion is still going on, and I can see people supporting our
action. Surely there will be some doubts, and we will be happy to answer
them and welcome them to join us.

   If we could implement such blackout, how soon it can be done?

 (Speaking as a not-very-tech-savvy person) Depends on what exactly the
community want to do. If we make use of CentralNotice's geo-targeting, it
is very easy to implement a Taiwan-only
blackout/site-notice/redirect-to-specific page etc. This involves no server
side configuration change, volunteers will be able to get this done. The
time consuming part is to write the banner and it's javascript, but that
shouldn't take longer than a day of there is people willing to help.

As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting? If
it can, then I can agree that it would be easier. If it cannot, then
properly we would need help from the foundation.


 Regards,

 Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Benjamin Chen

On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting?

With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.

Regards,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Ted Chien


On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote:

  
 On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com 
 (mailto:hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com) wrote:
  
  As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting?
  
 With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.
But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people will 
know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in Taiwan. 
Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the whole en.wp 
and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just because it's only 
in Taiwan?

For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office 
decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month from 
now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The Taipei Free 
WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month.

News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within a 
Month (in Chinese):
http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm

Regards,
Ted








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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Benjamin Chen
Don't get me wrong. CentralNotice can be used to block the entire page. It was 
used for the SOPA blackout.  :)

Regards,

Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]

On 29 May, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote:
 
 
 On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com 
 (mailto:hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com) wrote:
 
 As I previously point out in my first question: can it be geo-targeting?
 
 With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.
 But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people will 
 know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in Taiwan. 
 Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the whole 
 en.wp and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just because 
 it's only in Taiwan?
 
 For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office 
 decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month from 
 now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The Taipei Free 
 WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month.
 
 News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within a 
 Month (in Chinese):
 http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm
 
 Regards,
 Ted
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SOPA related bill in Taiwan

2013-05-28 Thread Ted Chien
Thanks for the explanation, I just saw your comment on zh.wp.

Regards,
Ted Chien
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2013/5/29 上午12:48 於 Benjamin Chen bencmqw...@gmail.com 寫道:

 Don't get me wrong. CentralNotice can be used to block the entire page. It
 was used for the SOPA blackout.  :)

 Regards,

 Benjamin Chen / [[User:Bencmq]]

 On 29 May, 2013, at 12:45 AM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
  On 2013年5月28日Tuesday at 下午11:37, Benjamin Chen wrote:
 
 
  On 28 May, 2013, at 11:32 PM, Ted Chien hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com(mailto:
 hsiangtai.ch...@gmail.com) wrote:
 
  As I previously point out in my first question: can it be
 geo-targeting?
 
  With CentralNotice, yes you can make it target Taiwan users only.
  But to blackout Wikipedia would gain better media reactions, and people
 will know what the internet would like if the SOPA bill is been passed in
 Taiwan. Also, last year the SOPA issue was in USA, why we can blackout the
 whole en.wp and you think this time we don't have to blackout zh.wp just
 because it's only in Taiwan?
 
  For the record, I just read the news that Taipei City Information Office
 decided to put the block to its own free public WiFi service in a month
 from now, long before the TIPO amend the Copyright Act of Taiwan. The
 Taipei Free WiFi service has 200M+ users and has 300M+ visitors each month.
 
  News - Taipei City Government would follow TIPO to block websites within
 a Month (in Chinese):
  http://www.ettoday.net/news/20130528/213815.htm
 
  Regards,
  Ted
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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