Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

2013-09-09 Thread John
Actually the toolserver's practice is not deactivating inactive users.
Users accounts are active for 6 months. One month before the account is set
to expire they start to receive email notifications . There are no less
than 6 reminders sent out before the account is disabled. It takes less
than 3 minutes to log into the toolserver and renew your account Its just a
single command. If a tool author cannot do that, the odds are the tool is
no longer being supported and that issues about the tool are not being
fixed. In most cases disabling the account is the correct thing to do.


On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote:

 Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or
 on labs. The tool I use monthly is:

 http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/

 I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now i
 just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a
 Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(

 It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.

 -Sarah


 On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 10:24 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:

  Some of the key tool's which I use on a daily basis (and their
 workarounds)
  no longer work.
 
  The tool I use the most of any is the autofill for PMID and ISBN's. The
 one
  in the edit box has not worked for some time and the backup
  http://diberri.crabdance.com/cgi-bin/templatefiller/index.cgi? stopped
  working today. The second backup still works a bit thankfully
  https://toolserver.org/~holek/cite-gen/index.php
 
  Another great tool is the dashboard. Its toolserver account has expired.
  http://wikidashboard.appspot.com/enwiki/wiki/Obesity I find this strange
  that if a users account has expired all the tools stop working. This
 would
  be like if I stopped editing Wikipedia for a couple of months than all my
  contributions would be deleted.
 
  So the question is should the WMF be helping keep some of these tools up
  and running? Many of us long term editors have come to heavily rely on
  them.
  --
  James Heilman
  MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
 
  The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
  www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

2013-09-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Sarah Stierch, 09/09/2013 19:26:

Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or
on labs. The tool I use monthly is:

http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/

I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now i
just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a
Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(

It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.


That's https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42259
The lack of basic pageview stats service from WMF has also been briefly 
discussed at 
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-September/071714.html


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

2013-09-09 Thread Rand McRanderson
Maybe it is time to consider taking highly useful but less maintained bots
and adding them to Wikipedia architecture. Wmf can offer (not force) to
take them over.
On Sep 9, 2013 2:22 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sarah Stierch, 09/09/2013 19:26:

 Yeah..I've noticed that with a lot of tools, whether on the toolserver or
 on labs. The tool I use monthly is:

 http://tools.wmflabs.org/**glamtools/treeviews/http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/

 I ping Magnus all the time and he does his best to fix any issues and now
 i
 just feel like a broken record each month. It is stifling my reports as a
 Wikipedian in Residence to UNESCO and the Library of Congress :(

 It's really tough to function without it, and so many other tools anymore.


 That's 
 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.**org/show_bug.cgi?id=42259https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42259
 The lack of basic pageview stats service from WMF has also been briefly
 discussed at http://lists.wikimedia.org/**pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-**
 September/071714.htmlhttp://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-September/071714.html

 Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some of Wikipedia's most important tools are broken

2013-09-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Rand McRanderson, 09/09/2013 20:30:

Maybe it is time to consider taking highly useful but less maintained bots


https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42259 is only a request for almost-raw 
data to be provided to tools, it's not about taking over bots or tools.



and adding them to Wikipedia architecture. Wmf can offer (not force) to
take them over.


Instead, the WMF forced (not offered) to kill them all in few months 
when they'll kill the Toolserver. ;-) So let's focus on feasible things 
like bug 42259 instead.


Nemo

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