Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-17 Thread James Salsman
Are those objecting to discussion of specific choices of advocacy areas of the Foundation aware that the Movement Strategy staff have seated an Advocacy Working Group and begun discussions with it focusing on "public policies and agendas to define areas where active advocacy and political

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 1:48 PM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > I am troubled with the ease doubt is raised about people contributing to > this mailing list/ our community/ our projects. This is a mailing list that > has the option of moderation. That is already in itself a sure way of > driving

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Amir Sarabadani
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 19:48 James Salsman wrote: > The "agenda" is shared by a majority of the survey respondents so far. You just disclosed results of the survey before it ends, meaning people who fill out the survey are biased on what majority thinks and vote under peer pressure.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Pete Forsyth
+1 to what Lane says. I will not comment here on whether or not a specific user should be removed from the list, but I do feel that a survey like this one should not be sent to this list, especially from only one person without any apparent peer vetting etc. I would generally support

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Alex Power
Presumably a large majority of people didn't bother to respond to the survey. If you want to continue running surveys pushing your personal agenda until everyone except your fan-club ignores you and you get the results you want, I can't stop you, I can merely castigate you and recommend that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Lane Rasberry
Risker raises the point of moderating research requests. I do not want to comment on this survey in particular, but in general, many researchers target the wiki community continually. We do not have community capacity to endlessly complete surveys, and I would like survey moderation. Access to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 18:27, James Salsman wrote: > The "agenda" is shared by a majority of the survey respondents so far. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-selection_bias -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread James Salsman
The "agenda" is shared by a majority of the survey respondents so far. Why are these questions so offensive to the vocal minority who have demanded that they not be discussed? Many nonprofit organizations depending on volunteer labor advocates for social changes in support of those volunteers,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
I'll admit I was initially deceived by his initial message. > On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Risker wrote: > > I regret to say that I feel James has abused this forum once again for his > own personal agenda, much of which is unrelated even indirectly to the WMF > or the Wikimedia movement.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am troubled with the ease doubt is raised about people contributing to this mailing list/ our community/ our projects. This is a mailing list that has the option of moderation. That is already in itself a sure way of driving people away. However, it is not the same as going whole hog and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Risker
I regret to say that I feel James has abused this forum once again for his own personal agenda, much of which is unrelated even indirectly to the WMF or the Wikimedia movement. Further, I feel that he has done so in a way that is deceptive to members of this mailing list, and that his actions are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread James Salsman
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 1:23 AM Kevin Payravi wrote: > > I've heard confusion from a couple folks and want to make sure it's clear > here that this survey is coming from you as an individual, Jim, and has no > origination or coordination with the Foundation - correct? Yes, the survey is just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
I also assumed that, and was quite concerned. > On Jan 16, 2019, at 1:22 AM, Kevin Payravi wrote: > > I've heard confusion from a couple folks and want to make sure it's clear > here that this survey is coming from you as an individual, Jim, and has no > origination or coordination with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
James, As is fairly typical with your proposals, most of the proposals in the survey (free healthcare, universal basic income, etc.) have very little to do with the Foundation's mission. If you're going to do a survey, I suggest actually connecting it to the Foundation's mission, although sadly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Survey about the Foundation's Mission

2019-01-16 Thread Kevin Payravi
I've heard confusion from a couple folks and want to make sure it's clear here that this survey is coming from you as an individual, Jim, and has no origination or coordination with the Foundation - correct? Thanks, Kevin On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 8:21 PM James Salsman Happy 18th birthday to