Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-23 Thread Gnangarra
en:wp has a vast collective of policies, guidelines and essays to navigate. Where once we had a philosophy "if the rule get in the way of making an enncyclopedia ignore the rules" now with so much of what we do the rules have become absolute. Acknwoledging BLLP, COI, and copyright need to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-23 Thread Pine W
Hi John, I agree that millions of people choose to spend time on Facebook, as well as games and other recreational activities like computer games. My guess is that, for most people, these activities often don't feel like work, while contributing to Wikimedia often feels like work. I think that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Yes, there are many rules. Yes, they have arisen because of the need felt by some. It is totally obvious that these rules are created with the "best intentions". Given the state of play these rules are not analysed for their effect particularly not for their side effects. The rules and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-11 Thread John Erling Blad
I wonder if some of the problem is that we have made a mash-up of policies and guidelines on the same pages, thereby making it very hard for newcomers to figure out what they must know and all the stuff that is simply nice to know. Take a look at Verifiability at enwiki. [1] How much of this is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-11 Thread John Erling Blad
This is slightly more complex. Some projects have a very large and steady decline, especially in new contributors,[1] while some projects have an increase, especially in the established users group.[2] Why it is so is not clear at all, but some editors favor an idea that other sites like Facebook

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Fair comment Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Pine W Sent: 11 March 2018 06:56 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ? Hi Zubin, I'd like to respond

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-10 Thread Pine W
Hi Zubin, I'd like to respond to this in multiple ways. 1. Yes, there are lots of rules and guidelines with varying degrees of clarity and authority. This seems to me to be an understandable outcome of a bottom-up process for developing many of Wikipedia's rules and guidelines. I think that many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-07 Thread Chris Keating
Hi Zubin, > As a rare newcomer to the Wikimedia project, I've been thinking of some of > the factors that seem to discourage me from contributing and one of the > primary ones seem to be the fact that the way the administration is > organized and rules enforced is often vague and unclear. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-07 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi Zubin, thanks for being a newcomer to Wikimedia, and also for your interest in the issue of bureaucracy. I think you're right that it is something worth analyzing. A chapter of my "Common Knowledge? An Ethnography of Wikipedia" (2014, Stanford University Press) was dedicated to studying the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-06 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 2:16 AM, WereSpielChequers < werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > The discussions about declining editor levels started to go quiet in mid > 2015 after we noticed that numbers had started to rally at the end of 2014. > The numbers for English Wikipedia, you mean. For the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-06 Thread Anders Wennersten
Are you aware of the huge difference in bureaucracy on the different language versions? Of course a more elaborate set of written rules is needed where there are many users, then what is needed where the number of contributors are fewer. But even on an smaller language version like "mine"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-06 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Zubin and welcome. The discussions about declining editor levels started to go quiet in mid 2015 after we noticed that numbers had started to rally at the end of 2014. Here is the signpost article that covered part of this in 2015

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-06 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Hi Zubin, not that I know of. Cheers Yaroslav On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:42 PM, Zubin JAIN wrote: > Hello, > As a rare newcomer to the Wikimedia project, I've been thinking of some of > the factors that seem to discourage me from contributing and one of the >