Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-28 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

Bod Notbod, 28/04/2012 01:29:
 So the feature sends out one email per watchlist edit?

No, one email per watchlisted *page* edited. If there are hundreds of 
edits to a single page, you'll receive only one email.


Andrew Gray, 28/04/2012 01:46:

On 27 April 2012 22:27, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:


The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually
enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to
make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very
few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and
would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of
the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of
emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their
watchlist before they opt-out.


Would it be possible to have it like SUL - if you create an account
after X date it is automatically watchlist-email-enabled, if you have
an older account you have to manually turn it on.


Sure, this is the easiest part. If the default for the checkbox is 
changed, it changes only for new users (as opposed to defaults in the 
dropdown options, like thumb size), as far as I know/remember (but I'm 
not a dev).



The problem then becomes notifying people that they can have emailed
watchlist alerts, as without some form of notification we'll be having
people saying wait, we can do that? in 2015...

Perhaps a way to do it would be to trigger a *single* email to a user
who doesn't have it enabled, at the time their first triggered
watchlist edit would be sent out, informing them of the system and
inviting them to turn it on if desired, with an explicit statement
that unless they do, there won't be any further emails?


This was already done by en.wiki for user talk notifications by changing 
[[MediaWiki:Enotif body]] to explain the new thing.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-27 Thread Victor Vasiliev
Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not
like  10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of
watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta.

—vvv

On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
 A few hours ago, a year after the discussion on this list about editor
 retention and communication,[1] email notification[2] of edits to
 watchlisted pages has been enabled on all Wikimedia projects — at last!
 Until yesterday, only 16 lucky content projects, including Commons (plus a
 bunch of small backstage wikis), benefited from this feature.
 There are still a few steps left, to monitor performance impact.[3]

 The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually
 enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to
 make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very
 few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and
 would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of
 the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of
 emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their
 watchlist before they opt-out.

 Nemo

 [1]
 http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-April/thread.html#65294
 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Watching_pages#E-mail_notification
 [3] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28026#c53

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-27 Thread Phil Nash


- Original Message - 
From: Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com

To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all 
wikis



Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not
like  10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of
watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta.

Agree. The whole thing seems a tad unnecessary to me, since most users tend 
to contribute to their home language wikipedia, and perhaps Commons, but 
little else. A talk page edit is therefore unlikely to be important enough 
to need immediate action, but if the issue *is* important, a more focussed 
email may be sent to SUL users. Perhaps this might be a more useful option. 



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-27 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not
 like  10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of
 watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta.

A daily digest would be cool.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30187

-- 
John Vandenberg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-27 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
Automatically adjusting the email frequency might be a worthwhile feature
to strive for:
If an editor hasn't logged in within the past 30 days, revert to monthly
digest, that way we don't drive editors away with the email frequency.

-Stephanie


On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:07 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not
  like  10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of
  watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta.

 A daily digest would be cool.

 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30187

 --
 John Vandenberg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-27 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 00:05, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not
 like  10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of
 watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta.

 Then turn off the feature.

 New users dont know how to turn it on.

 The emails can explain how to turn it off.

So the feature sends out one email per watchlist edit?

If so, I can imagine a few users finding themselves with hundreds of
emails before they next checked their mail and saw any opportunity to
switch it off.

Could a site banner be put up just to let users know it's there,
perhaps with a link to a page of explanation about what it does and
how to switch it on? Sounds better to me than risking potential
surprise email barrages.

Bodnotbod

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-27 Thread Bod Notbod
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 00:05, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 New users dont know how to turn it on.

...and I've just had a little trouble myself. I looked under the
'watchlist' tab of my prefs. It isn't there. It's under 'user
profile'.

Hmmm.

Bodnotbod

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-27 Thread Andrew Gray
On 27 April 2012 22:27, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:

 The only inconvenience is that both new and old users still have to manually
 enable the feature on their preferences, while it would make more sense to
 make it opt-out, as for user talk: users want to disable it only on the very
 few wikis they monitor very closely, when/if the watchlist gets crowded and
 would generate too much spam. Some thought is needed to address this pat of
 the problem because of course we don't want to suddenly send thousands of
 emails to the super-users with (tens of?) thousands of pages in their
 watchlist before they opt-out.

Would it be possible to have it like SUL - if you create an account
after X date it is automatically watchlist-email-enabled, if you have
an older account you have to manually turn it on.

The problem then becomes notifying people that they can have emailed
watchlist alerts, as without some form of notification we'll be having
people saying wait, we can do that? in 2015...

Perhaps a way to do it would be to trigger a *single* email to a user
who doesn't have it enabled, at the time their first triggered
watchlist edit would be sent out, informing them of the system and
inviting them to turn it on if desired, with an explicit statement
that unless they do, there won't be any further emails?

-- 
- Andrew Gray
  andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk

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