Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

2020-02-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
For me there is no difference. When Commons OTRS is not behaving as is to
be expected, they provide a serious disservice to our movement and yes, it
may be volunteering but that is not a reason to accept what is not
acceptable.

What will be done to remedy this predicament?
Thanks,
 GerardM


On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 20:31, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:10, Rebecca O'Neill 
> wrote:
> >
> > I think this is what is being referenced:
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata
>
> Thank you; it is.
>
> The issue is not with Commons, but with Commons' OTRS.
>
> tl;dr = wanted photographs of individuals with items on Wikidata
> (established 2012) , that meet Wikidata's notability criteria, are
> being rejected, unseen by the Commons or Wikidata communities, by OTRS
> volunteers, based on a 2010 policy that is on a password-protected
> wiki. Requests for details how how that policy was arrived at, and how
> it can be changed, remain unanswered.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

2020-02-25 Thread Andy Mabbett 
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:10, Rebecca O'Neill  wrote:
>
> I think this is what is being referenced:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata

Thank you; it is.

The issue is not with Commons, but with Commons' OTRS.

tl;dr = wanted photographs of individuals with items on Wikidata
(established 2012) , that meet Wikidata's notability criteria, are
being rejected, unseen by the Commons or Wikidata communities, by OTRS
volunteers, based on a 2010 policy that is on a password-protected
wiki. Requests for details how how that policy was arrived at, and how
it can be changed, remain unanswered.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

2020-02-25 Thread Rebecca O'Neill 
I think this is what is being referenced:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:09, Phil Nash via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I haven't seen any evidence of this on Commons. We do delete selfies of
> non-Wikimedians because we are not Facebook. Apart from that, I'd like to
> see some evidence for this. Thanks
>
> User:Rodhullandemu
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> - Original Message -
> From: Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
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> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Sent: 25/02/2020 16:45:02
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on
> otherprojects
>
> 
>
> Can you provide some links?
> I keep asking images for Wikidata items since years and I do not recall
> any issue at all. I have the feeling that as long everything is formally
> correct (all categories prepared and linked via wikidata infobox) nobody
> digs into that very much.
> It's true however that I have a cynical approach. In general, I think that
> whoever spends his/her time on this and not on deleting unused low
> resolution old images or cropping files or improving categorization is
> probably more focused on chasing users than actually cleaning up. As soon
> as you assume that this is the core source of the behavior, you can teach
> newbies quite well how to avoid it. It's not "good faith" but... it kinda
> works.
> Alessandro
>
> Il martedì 25 febbraio 2020, 17:11:44 CET, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> Hoi,
> Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support
> Wikipedia.
>
> At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards. We
> are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The best
> suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they are deleted at
> Commons.
>
> When this is what awaits us when we standardise on one label Wikipedia, it
> is obvious that this is the worst scenario for the "other" projects. The
> projects who operate to different standards who have notability criteria
> different from English Wikipedia.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

2020-02-25 Thread Phil Nash via Wikimedia-l 
I haven't seen any evidence of this on Commons. We do delete selfies of 
non-Wikimedians because we are not Facebook. Apart from that, I'd like to see 
some evidence for this. Thanks

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- Original Message -
From: Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l 
Reply-To: Alessandro Marchetti , Wikimedia Mailing List 

To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Sent: 25/02/2020 16:45:02
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on 
otherprojects


Can you provide some links?
I keep asking images for Wikidata items since years and I do not recall any 
issue at all. I have the feeling that as long everything is formally correct 
(all categories prepared and linked via wikidata infobox) nobody digs into that 
very much.
It's true however that I have a cynical approach. In general, I think that 
whoever spends his/her time on this and not on deleting unused low resolution 
old images or cropping files or improving categorization is probably more 
focused on chasing users than actually cleaning up. As soon as you assume that 
this is the core source of the behavior, you can teach newbies quite well how 
to avoid it. It's not "good faith" but... it kinda works.
Alessandro

Il martedì 25 febbraio 2020, 17:11:44 CET, Gerard Meijssen 
 ha scritto:  

Hoi,
Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support
Wikipedia.

At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards. We
are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The best
suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they are deleted at
Commons.

When this is what awaits us when we standardise on one label Wikipedia, it
is obvious that this is the worst scenario for the "other" projects. The
projects who operate to different standards who have notability criteria
different from English Wikipedia.
Thanks,
  GerardM
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