Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-18 Thread Kim Bruning

That's one step better than I was hoping for,

If all y'all are already in close contact with Erik, then I'm
no longer needed in this phase. :-)

(unless I can help with setup, or getting more data, or etc.)

Good luck, and have fun! :-)

sincerely,
Kim Bruning

PS. do post regular updates on status. I'd love to know how
things go from here! :-)

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 10:06:32PM +0200, Stefan Fussan wrote:
 We are about to migrate the WT data on WV as a first step ( 
 http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Migration_FAQ ). I am in touch with 
 Erik as well.
 Till now i have got no time table and any further information from the 
 WMF.  But I am sure, during the next two weeks we will know more details 
 about the procedure.
 
 Stefan aka Fussi
 
 Am 17.09.2012 19:31, schrieb Samuel Klein:
  The Wikivoyage migration plans should be able to proceed.  I haven't seen a
  specific plan for how that will work; it is still being discussed on Meta
  and on Wikivoyage.
 
  Sam.
 
  On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
 
  On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following
  statement about the travel guide RfC
  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide :
  What are the next steps? Will the foundation first wait for all
  lawsuits to resolve, or will they start with working on providing the
  servers? What's the current time-frame?
 
  sincerely,
   Kim Bruning
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-17 Thread Samuel Klein
The Wikivoyage migration plans should be able to proceed.  I haven't seen a
specific plan for how that will work; it is still being discussed on Meta
and on Wikivoyage.

Sam.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following
  statement about the travel guide RfC
  http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide :


 What are the next steps? Will the foundation first wait for all
 lawsuits to resolve, or will they start with working on providing the
 servers? What's the current time-frame?

 sincerely,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-17 Thread Stefan Fussan
We are about to migrate the WT data on WV as a first step ( 
http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Migration_FAQ ). I am in touch with 
Erik as well.
Till now i have got no time table and any further information from the 
WMF.  But I am sure, during the next two weeks we will know more details 
about the procedure.


Stefan aka Fussi

Am 17.09.2012 19:31, schrieb Samuel Klein:

The Wikivoyage migration plans should be able to proceed.  I haven't seen a
specific plan for how that will work; it is still being discussed on Meta
and on Wikivoyage.

Sam.

On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:


On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote:

Hi all,

on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following
statement about the travel guide RfC
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide :

What are the next steps? Will the foundation first wait for all
lawsuits to resolve, or will they start with working on providing the
servers? What's the current time-frame?

sincerely,
 Kim Bruning

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-14 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following
 statement about the travel guide RfC
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide :


What are the next steps? Will the foundation first wait for all
lawsuits to resolve, or will they start with working on providing the
servers? What's the current time-frame?

sincerely,
Kim Bruning

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-09 Thread FT2
Actually the answer seems simple.

Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB
considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any
non-conflicting wikitravel reuse terms and attribution to the site itself
if needed.

We may do more (add diffs and other authors where omitted, link to an
explanatory page), but whatever information IB provides, if we show at
least the attribution information visible in IB's own public pages, it
would inherently be hard for IB to sustain a claim of any fork inadequately
attributing original authors.

Also attribution of wikitravel or IB itself is not a barrier.
It doesn't provides any assistance to IB in terms of their presumed goal of
preventing forking. It is trivial to meet any sane and legally necesary
acknowledgement of wikitravel.com and/or IB, once IB stipulate (as they
inevitably must) the attribution they feel to be acceptable and its legal
basis.

Beyond that the rest is a matter for, 1/ the wikitravel community such as
care to speak on it, and 2/ any minimum attribution the wikimedia community
or the Foundation might feel is needed for best practice or license
compliance.  It may be possible in a number of ways but I'm sure a
satisfactory agreement would not involve IB-style litigatory approaches.

FT2



On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:
  When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia,
  not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel.
 
  Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to
 scrape
  just the usernames from histories is trivial
  http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history
 

 That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to
 be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of
 any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by
 employees in the course of their employment).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-09 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB
 considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any
 non-conflicting wikitravel reuse terms and attribution to the site itself
 if needed.



All a bit academic in any case - IB didn't sue over the cc-by content
and even acknowledged it can be reused. If they were to try to sue,
they would have a pretty high standing hurdle to overcome given they
don't own any of the content.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-09 Thread FT2
Academic yes, however it's noise in their claim.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 All a bit academic in any case - IB didn't sue over the cc-by content
 and even acknowledged it can be reused. If they were to try to sue,
 they would have a pretty high standing hurdle to overcome given they
 don't own any of the content.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Florence Devouard



To be fair, it's nice to see that they recognize their community has a 
value :)


Flo

On 9/6/12 4:40 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote:

\o/

Nice!

and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free
license...


On 6 September 2012 10:21, Alice Wiegand 
awiegand-aeojrepdgneggljvpfv...@public.gmane.org wrote:


Hi all,

on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following
statement about the travel guide RfC
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide :


Through the RfC, it is clear our community has reached consensus in
favor of the creation of a travel guide. The Board supports the
community decision to create a dedicated project for the collection of
free multilingual travel resources. We believe there is an enormous
amount of space for multiple wiki-based projects with travel content
and welcome the contributions of community members from around the
world.
We look forward to having a project that can provide additional
content for other travel sites to reuse and benefit from, which we
believe this site will do.

As a project supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, it will be subject
to the movement vision, mission, and values, as well as the Foundation
Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. However, like all other Wikimedia
projects, the community of contributors is responsible for the
management and creation of the content, policies, rules, and
governance of the new project. The community will be responsible for
organizing the travel guide project, and once they have put all of the
necessary pieces together and provided them to the Foundation staff,
the Wikimedia Foundation will make the necessary technical adjustments
to support the site. We look forward to a new project and appreciate
the community taking the initiative to make this possible.

As we have reported in a blogpost [1], Internet Brands has filed a
lawsuit against community members, and, in response, Wikimedia
Foundation has filed a complaint against Internet Brands [2]. This
lawsuit by Internet Brands is not going to intimidate the Foundation
or stop the process.

[1]
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/05/wikimedia-foundation-seeks-declaratory-relief-in-response-to-legal-threats-from-internet-brands/
[2]
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:WMF_complaint_for_declaratory_judgement_September_2012.pdf

Regards, Alice.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Daniel Zahn
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote:

 and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free
 license...

Well, it's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so will have to
attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page.

http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
 rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote:

 and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free
 license...

 Well, it's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so will have to
 attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page.

 http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft

Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be
attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied
across with the page history intact, which will constitute the
appropriate attribution (in the same way it does on Wikipedia). I
haven't been following too closely - are there any dumps available? It
seems unlikely it will be possible to get any now (I doubt IB can be
compelled to provide one).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread emijrp
2012/9/7 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com

 On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
  rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on
 free
  license...
 
  Well, it's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so will have to
  attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page.
 
  http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft

 Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be
 attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied
 across with the page history intact, which will constitute the
 appropriate attribution (in the same way it does on Wikipedia). I
 haven't been following too closely - are there any dumps available? It
 seems unlikely it will be possible to get any now (I doubt IB can be
 compelled to provide one).


WikiTeam did some backups in 2011 but only the last version for every page,
because the server was weak and unable to provide the complete history
http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list?can=2q=wikitravel

Indeed, they have started to protect themselves against the content
export http://wikitravel.org/en/Special:Export


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Daniel Zahn
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

 haven't been following too closely - are there any dumps available? It
 seems unlikely it will be possible to get any now (I doubt IB can be
 compelled to provide one).

They just disabled their Special:Export page, but too late a bit since
the WikiTeam already made these:

http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/downloads/list?can=2q=wikitravel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 20:59, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be
 attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied
 across with the page history intact

 Really? it says.. (2) credit the author, licensor and/or other
 parties (such as a wiki or journal) in the manner they specify; 

The page you linked to doesn't specify any particular form of
attribution that I can see, so just crediting the author satisfies
that requirement.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread emijrp
When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia,
not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel.

Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape
just the usernames from histories is trivial
http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history

2012/9/7 Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be
  attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied
  across with the page history intact

 Really? it says.. (2) credit the author, licensor and/or other
 parties (such as a wiki or journal) in the manner they specify; 

 ..and yeah, we don't appear to have the full history.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:
 When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia,
 not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel.

 Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape
 just the usernames from histories is trivial
 http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history


That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to
be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of
any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by
employees in the course of their employment).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Deryck Chan
Just write Imported from Wikitravel and list the names of all page
authors by scrubbing the Wikitravel page. Attribution given, problem
solved! (okay, not the import practicality bit)

On 7 September 2012 21:14, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:
  When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia,
  not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel.
 
  Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to
 scrape
  just the usernames from histories is trivial
  http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history
 

 That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to
 be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of
 any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by
 employees in the course of their employment).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread emijrp
How to re-use Wikitravel guides http://www.webcitation.org/6AVYKMbhE

Example of credits:
http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Singaporeaction=credits

2012/9/7 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:
  When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia,
  not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel.
 
  Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to
 scrape
  just the usernames from histories is trivial
  http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history
 

 That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to
 be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of
 any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Michael Peel

On 7 Sep 2012, at 21:14, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:
 When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia,
 not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel.
 
 Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape
 just the usernames from histories is trivial
 http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history
 
 
 That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to
 be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of
 any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by
 employees in the course of their employment).

We encourage attribution of Wikipedia articles as:

This article uses material from the Wikipedia article [[Metasyntactic 
variable]], which is released under the 
[http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons 
Attribution-Share-Alike License 3.0].

i.e. to the project not the authors…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:REUSE#Example_notice

Thanks,
Mike


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Stefan Fussan
We have a complete set of articles and pictures including the complete 
history (August 2012 just a day before they disabled the api). We are 
about to migrate all articles on Wikivoyage. A test of Wikitravel:en 
articles and wikitravel:shared pictures on Wikivoyage is running. So we 
have a Wikivoyag/en and a second shared: now.  Its the first step to 
move it to the WMF.


Please take participate on the discussion - especially concerning the 
proper attribution...


http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Talk:Migration_FAQ#4._Legal_issues



Am 07.09.2012 22:21, schrieb Deryck Chan:

Just write Imported from Wikitravel and list the names of all page
authors by scrubbing the Wikitravel page. Attribution given, problem
solved! (okay, not the import practicality bit)

On 7 September 2012 21:14, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:


On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote:

When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia,
not its authors, so we can put This text comes from Wikitravel.

Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to

scrape

just the usernames from histories is trivial
http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Kaprunaction=history


That's not really accurate, and not how Wikimedia projects expect to
be credited either. Wikipedia or Wikitravel are not the authors of
any project content (other than, for Wikitravel, that written by
employees in the course of their employment).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 21:25, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 We encourage attribution of Wikipedia articles as:

 This article uses material from the Wikipedia article [[Metasyntactic 
 variable]], which is released under the 
 [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons 
 Attribution-Share-Alike License 3.0].

 i.e. to the project not the authors…

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:REUSE#Example_notice

Which is fine because the notice when you edit a page says:

You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the
Creative Commons license.

So linking to the article is providing attribution in the manner they specify.

I can't see any similar notice on Wikitravel. I definitely can't see
anything saying you are licensing it with a requirement to attribute
to Wikitravel.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 September 2012 20:47, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Well, it's Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike, so will have to
 attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page.
 http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft

 Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be
 attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied
 across with the page history intact, which will constitute the
 appropriate attribution (in the same way it does on Wikipedia). I
 haven't been following too closely - are there any dumps available? It
 seems unlikely it will be possible to get any now (I doubt IB can be
 compelled to provide one).


People have been taking dumps of every page and its history, in
preparation for forking. This was inspired by Internet Brands being
reluctant to actually put up database dumps.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-06 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
\o/

Nice!

and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free
license...


On 6 September 2012 10:21, Alice Wiegand awieg...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following
 statement about the travel guide RfC
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide :


 Through the RfC, it is clear our community has reached consensus in
 favor of the creation of a travel guide. The Board supports the
 community decision to create a dedicated project for the collection of
 free multilingual travel resources. We believe there is an enormous
 amount of space for multiple wiki-based projects with travel content
 and welcome the contributions of community members from around the
 world.
 We look forward to having a project that can provide additional
 content for other travel sites to reuse and benefit from, which we
 believe this site will do.

 As a project supported by the Wikimedia Foundation, it will be subject
 to the movement vision, mission, and values, as well as the Foundation
 Terms of Use and Privacy Policy. However, like all other Wikimedia
 projects, the community of contributors is responsible for the
 management and creation of the content, policies, rules, and
 governance of the new project. The community will be responsible for
 organizing the travel guide project, and once they have put all of the
 necessary pieces together and provided them to the Foundation staff,
 the Wikimedia Foundation will make the necessary technical adjustments
 to support the site. We look forward to a new project and appreciate
 the community taking the initiative to make this possible.

 As we have reported in a blogpost [1], Internet Brands has filed a
 lawsuit against community members, and, in response, Wikimedia
 Foundation has filed a complaint against Internet Brands [2]. This
 lawsuit by Internet Brands is not going to intimidate the Foundation
 or stop the process.

 [1]
 http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/05/wikimedia-foundation-seeks-declaratory-relief-in-response-to-legal-threats-from-internet-brands/
 [2]
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:WMF_complaint_for_declaratory_judgement_September_2012.pdf

 Regards, Alice.

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