Le 2013-06-04 19:25, George Herbert a écrit :
On Jun 4, 2013, at 2:24 AM, Mathieu Stumpf
psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:
Isn't it because trademark is based on the completly irrelevant and
irrealistic willing to have an unilateral despotic control on some
symbol, branded as image
Trademark protection has benefits for both parties, but primarily the
consumer.
There is little point protecting our neutrality, for example, if our
identity can be hijacked to make vested recommendations.
On 05/06/2013 15:58, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
Le 2013-06-04 19:25, George Herbert a
Just a statement besides all the other issues. I am quite happy about the new
vote. I did not like the logo because its very similar to the old
Wikitravel-Logo.
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Peter Southwood, 03/06/2013 19:26:
In case anyone was so misguided at to think that I object to WTO
protecting their logo per se. That is NOT my point, and never was. My
point is that the WTO logo and WV logo are not easily confused. I asked
a simple question about what the specifics of the
Le 2013-06-04 10:00, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
Peter Southwood, 03/06/2013 19:26:
In case anyone was so misguided at to think that I object to WTO
protecting their logo per se. That is NOT my point, and never was.
My
point is that the WTO logo and WV logo are not easily confused. I
asked
Peter Southwood, 04/06/2013 11:31:
I am not an expert on copyright of logos, which is why I ask the question.
Howevr, I would have thought that a logo is described by the image, not
by words.
The premise is wrong; it's rather the opposite. (Personally I've only
registered one trademark, but I
Mathieu Stumpf, 04/06/2013 11:24:
Le 2013-06-04 10:00, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
Peter Southwood, 03/06/2013 19:26:
In case anyone was so misguided at to think that I object to WTO
protecting their logo per se. That is NOT my point, and never was. My
point is that the WTO logo and WV logo
Hello, all.
I'm delighted to issue an update here. :)
Even though Michelle Paulson is out until Thursday because she was
subpoenaed as a witness in a trial (unrelated to WMF), she has continued
talking to WTO about the possibility of extending the end of July deadline
they had already granted
That would only be true if they were right.
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
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On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:
Peter Southwood, 02/06
Indeed, and what if the Wikimedia movement looks after its own logos, would
that be bullying too? :-)
I remember a site with a name like Wikithistown (with Thistown being
the name of a specific city) with the self-description: Wikithistown is
the Wikipedia of Thistown, using also the Wikipedia
Hi,
Sometime in the next couple of weeks, we will need to launch a contest for
the new Wikivoyage logo, but first I'm hoping to get feedback and
assistance in making the best process for that possible. We had been
considering ways to optimize logo selection by the community, with the idea
On 03.06.2013 14:29, David Gerard wrote:
On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)
lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org wrote:
If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ?
It would be a lot faster to take the second best choice from the
first contest.
This was the
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote:
On 03.06.2013 14:29, David Gerard wrote:
On 3 June 2013 13:22, Lionel Allorge (lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org)
lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org wrote:
If it is so urgent, why start a new contest ?
It would be a lot
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Indeed, and what if the Wikimedia movement looks after its own logos,
would
that be bullying too? :-)
I remember a site with a name like Wikithistown
the line is drawn when it comes to principles.
Cheers,
Peter
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Peter Southwood, 02/06/2013 07:43:
So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.
Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.
Why would you want to share visual identity with a bully?
Nemo
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MZM,
This time misses the point of risk management - it's all probabilistic
rather than deterministic. It is totally reasonable for WMF to have judged
that the differences between the two logos are large enough that a
trademark claim is sufficiently *unlikely* to happen. But outliers do occur
and
Very eloquently put Denny.
I think your point is very well made that independently of what we as
individuals think about the legal Trademark merits of this particular case,
or the community processes of choosing a logo, the point remains that our
fighting this would not help to serve the mission
On 2 June 2013 06:43, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:
So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.
Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.
The principle being applied here is, I think, do the right thing.
The WTO is going out of their way
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On 2 June 2013 06:43, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net
wrote:
So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.
Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.
The principle being applied here is, I think, do the right thing
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:
Peter Southwood, 02/06/2013 07:43:
So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones.
Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles.
Why would you want to share visual identity with a
Deryck Chan wrote:
This time misses the point of risk management - it's all probabilistic
rather than deterministic. It is totally reasonable for WMF to have judged
that the differences between the two logos are large enough that a
trademark claim is sufficiently *unlikely* to happen. But outliers
:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:21 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Michelle Paulson wrote:
Since then, the Foundation has received a cease-and-desist letter from
the
WTO, requesting that we change the logo. While we wish that the WTO
I would still like an answer to my questions
Cheers,
Peter Southwood
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Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:49 PM
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I'm
Craig Franklin wrote:
I'm sure that the legal team has done their homework on this and would not
have made this recommendation unless they felt that the WTO had a credible
argument. Asking the Foundation to play chicken with the lawyers of a
major international organisation over a trademark claim
On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 12:22 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I would think some of these issues would be of concern to you. This isn't
about asking anyone to play chicken. It's about ensuring that communities
are free to choose their own identity.
Change it to a blank/transparent
K. Peachey wrote:
Change it to a blank/transparent square for the logo at the current
time, Then let WV take as long as they want to choose a new logo?
In other words, let's remove their logo, even against their wish, and
then let /them/ come up with a solution?
-- Tomasz
On 2 June 2013 00:22, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Craig Franklin wrote:
I'm sure that the legal team has done their homework on this and would not
have made this recommendation unless they felt that the WTO had a credible
argument. Asking the Foundation to play chicken with the
Hi Maggie and Michelle, thank you for this update.
I see that 4 people noted similarity to the WTO logo in the first
round of voting. Another noted that while he liked the logo, it should
be modified to be significantly different in the second round... but
that did not happen. (none of the
Michelle Paulson wrote:
Since then, the Foundation has received a cease-and-desist letter from the
WTO, requesting that we change the logo. While we wish that the WTO agreed
with our assessment that the two logos contain substantial differences and
could co-exist, we understand their concern. We
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:21 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Michelle Paulson wrote:
Since then, the Foundation has received a cease-and-desist letter from the
WTO, requesting that we change the logo. While we wish that the WTO agreed
with our assessment that the two logos contain
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