Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Minutes of committee meetings and other queries

2014-01-25 Thread Tony Souter
Dear Andrew 

I am still a member because there was legally no secretary to receive my 
written resignation, as you correctly point out is required by Rule 6(1). 

Let's fast reverse for a moment: Charles resigned in writing as secretary 
several days after Graham was, somehow, appointed to the position, presumably 
using the casual vacancy rule—but there was no vacancy, so the appointment was 
invalid. I pointed out the problems at the time and was ignored—the fact that I 
was ignored is quite explicit in the minutes of the meeting during which 
everyone decided to appoint themselves into different office-bearing positions.

http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2013-03-17)#Committee_reshuffle

While we're on this matter, Action: Steven agreed to write up a formal 
re-shuffle motion, as per the email. – I see no evidence in subsequent minutes 
of such a a formal re-shuffle motion.  

It's as simple as that.

You say: the committee will not be responding to your correspondence dated 25 
January 2014; but you have responded. The failure to address my specific 
points might prompt members to wonder about several critical issues. Forgive me 
for being old-fashioned, but I'm rather fussy about adherence to rules and 
laws. 

Kind regards

Tony


On 25/01/2014, at 8:11 PM, Andrew Owens orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Tony,
 
 On 1 October 2013, you resigned your membership per Rule 6(1) of the 
 Association in writing, via a post to the chapter's lists. It is also on 
 record that this resignation was accepted at the time. As such, you are not a 
 member under the chapter's rules.
 
 As a consequence, the committee will not be responding to your correspondence 
 dated 25 January 2014, and notes only that it contains several 
 misunderstandings and errors of fact, some of which can be easily corrected 
 with material already on the record, including reports submitted to the last 
 AGM and the full text of the Associations Incorporation Reform Act 2012.
 
 Regards
 
 Andrew Owens
 Secretary
 Wikimedia Australia
 
 
 On 25 January 2014 13:17, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Dear members
 
 Since under the chapter's rules I'm still a member of WMAU until 30 June—at 
 which time no membership will be revewable for anyone under the rules, I'm 
 sorry to say—may I ask whether the minutes of today's committee meeting 
 will be posted promptly, unlike last time?
 
 Looking at the minutes of the most recent meeting (by the way, pretty short 
 on links for members to navigate to referents), I see 12 red ACTION 
 statements; only one of them is followed by a note that the action was taken:
 
 ACTION: Steven to advise Adam.
 (Update: Actioned 25 November - committee members CC'd on email.) Although it 
 doesn't say whether the action succeeded in terms of the resolution.
 
 
 A sample of the other 11 is below, together with a few other queries.
 
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 *ACTION: All to update COI register.  
 
 Nope: 
 
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Conflict_of_interest_policyaction=history
 
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 *Update of records with CAV and the ACNC
 Steven advised that everyone had sent through the necessary details. Email 
 issues have hampered the ACNC matter; Steven is sending Andrew the form via 
 express post.
 The rule changes have not been sent to CAV from the SGM. If it goes beyond 26 
 November, the lodgment fee increases from $75.20 to $160.50.
 ACTION: Steven to email Andrew the form; Andrew to file it with CAV on 
 Tuesday.
 
 Even if the rule changes were sent to CAV by 26 November, saving the chapter 
 half the fee, it ignores the fact that the law (not the rules, the law) was 
 breached by not communicating the change within a month of the SGM that 
 approved the changes. I believe there's a fine for that breach, but would 
 need to check the Act to confirm this.
 
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 *A7 Past resolutions
 ACTION: Andrew to sort out past resolutions for posting to the public wiki.
 
 This cake looks worryingly half-baked:
 
 (add 2013-14, note out of date (will fill this in over coming week)
 
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Resolutionsaction=history
 
 
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 *C4 Linkage project
 there are questions as to its fit with our Statement of Purpose—I don't see 
 an argument anywhere supporting this claim. Like the CAV's answers to 
 questions by one committee member about compliance, the answers depend on how 
 those questions are framed. Presumably the previous committee thought the 
 project fit with the SoP.
 
 The current spending is authorised by a resolution of the previous 
 committee, but we have the option to rescind this. But one of the problems 
 in squibbing on this funding is that the chapter signed a contract with the 
 other parties. Why sign a binding contract if you're going to flush it down 
 the pan in the hope you won't be sued, even if suing is unlikely? It's a 
 pretty bad smell for the chapter's reputation at the very

[Wikimediaau-l] Minutes of committee meetings and other queries

2014-01-24 Thread Tony Souter
Dear members

Since under the chapter's rules I'm still a member of WMAU until 30 June—at 
which time no membership will be revewable for anyone under the rules, I'm 
sorry to say—may I ask whether the minutes of today's committee meeting will 
be posted promptly, unlike last time?

Looking at the minutes of the most recent meeting (by the way, pretty short on 
links for members to navigate to referents), I see 12 red ACTION statements; 
only one of them is followed by a note that the action was taken:

ACTION: Steven to advise Adam.
(Update: Actioned 25 November - committee members CC'd on email.) Although it 
doesn't say whether the action succeeded in terms of the resolution.


A sample of the other 11 is below, together with a few other queries.

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*ACTION: All to update COI register.  

Nope: 

http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Conflict_of_interest_policyaction=history

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*Update of records with CAV and the ACNC
Steven advised that everyone had sent through the necessary details. Email 
issues have hampered the ACNC matter; Steven is sending Andrew the form via 
express post.
The rule changes have not been sent to CAV from the SGM. If it goes beyond 26 
November, the lodgment fee increases from $75.20 to $160.50.
ACTION: Steven to email Andrew the form; Andrew to file it with CAV on Tuesday.

Even if the rule changes were sent to CAV by 26 November, saving the chapter 
half the fee, it ignores the fact that the law (not the rules, the law) was 
breached by not communicating the change within a month of the SGM that 
approved the changes. I believe there's a fine for that breach, but would need 
to check the Act to confirm this.

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*A7 Past resolutions
ACTION: Andrew to sort out past resolutions for posting to the public wiki.

This cake looks worryingly half-baked:

(add 2013-14, note out of date (will fill this in over coming week)

http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Resolutionsaction=history


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*C4 Linkage project
there are questions as to its fit with our Statement of Purpose—I don't see 
an argument anywhere supporting this claim. Like the CAV's answers to questions 
by one committee member about compliance, the answers depend on how those 
questions are framed. Presumably the previous committee thought the project fit 
with the SoP.

The current spending is authorised by a resolution of the previous committee, 
but we have the option to rescind this. But one of the problems in squibbing 
on this funding is that the chapter signed a contract with the other parties. 
Why sign a binding contract if you're going to flush it down the pan in the 
hope you won't be sued, even if suing is unlikely? It's a pretty bad smell for 
the chapter's reputation at the very least. Who (including the WMF) would sign 
a contract with WMAU after that?

This sits oddly with a generally loose approach to spending, without clear 
signs of improving the performance of the chapter:

I see proposals to move from a free email system to one that costs $50 a year 
per person ($50? really?), and that the discourse on the site is so sensitive 
that a much more expensive non-shared option is being considered. Since the 
site remains a ghost town, I can't see the purpose in bumping up expenditure on 
it by one cent. 

Even snail-mail looks like incurring more costs (redirect fee, etc). May I ask 
why a mail box is used in the first place? If someone has to have the key to 
it, why not mail to their home to save costs and expedite communication? It's 
very unsuitable in a huge continent to assign one location for a paid mailbox. 

May I ask why nearly a thousand dollars was set aside in the August meeting for 
some online course experiment in ... what ... company board membership 
skills? Really? I thought the election would have sorted out who was competent 
to serve on the committee.

And is the Committee pursuing the idea of spending the grand some of $5,000 
each quarter to ferry to, and accommodate and feed the committee, in a 
different location in Australia? For the Sydney meeting last year, only one 
member turned up. How is that Fit to Purpose or value for money? 

http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Quarterly_board_meetings
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Minutes of previous meeting:

It was noted that most present were not at the meeting, but that as Graham had 
prepared the minutes and Craig had agreed to them, an overall majority of the 
previous committee could be judged in favour.

I'm not sure that's a logical assumption.

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Finance report

Two red links for September and Octover reports. Where are they?

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The World War I event proceeded, but nobody on the committee was present, so a 
report will be sought from the organiser for the next meeting.

No ACTION statement, so I can't imagine anything's been done on that one.



Just sayin', members.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Meeting today..?

2014-01-22 Thread Tony Souter
Peter, congratulations:  you've found a YouTube vid that precisely describes 
Wikimedia Australia.

Tony


On 23/01/2014, at 11:02 AM, Peter Musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote:

 anyone?
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhiCFdWeQfA
 
 (could anyone receiving this just flick me a quick hello to confirm that the 
 problem isn't the nut behind the keyboard this end...)
 
 best,
 
 Peter.
 PM.
 
 
 On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Peter Musings thepmacco...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 ping :-)
 
 Just wondering if I sent this ok?
 
 best,
 
 Peter,
 PM.
 
 
 On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Peter Musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote:
 hi folks,
 
 any news on minutes and the IRC log?
 
 best,
 
 Peter.
 PM.
 
 
 On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi John,
 
 The minutes of the previous committee meeting are still forthcoming, and as 
 Andrew has previously mentioned he has been unwell. We have not had our 
 committee meeting this month to accept the minutes from the December meeting. 
 Once this is done, they will be posted to the public wiki as is customary.
 
 I had a log of the meeting but it seems my IRC client creates it in a way so 
 that converting it to text is impossible. I believe others may have a log and 
 once I locate this it will be posted.
 
 Thanks for your patience.
 
 Steven Zhang
 
 On 12 Jan 2014, at 4:58 pm, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 They havent been posted Steven. :(
 
 On Jan 12, 2014 9:27 AM, Steve Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote:
 Hi John,
 
 I believe the minutes are in the process of being finalized today and we 
 have a copy of the irc log to post. It will be going ahead as planned today 
 at 4pm AEDST.
 
 Steve
 
 On 12/01/2014 1:15 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 There are at least two items the committee should be attending to
 before the meeting today.
 
 The IRC log from the last public meeting should be published.
 
 The minutes from the last committee meeting should be published.
 
 fwiw, I am an apology for the meeting today, due to a prior commitment
 of being facilitator at a Wikidata workshop being here in Jakarta.
 
 --
 John Vandenberg
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] opportunity

2014-01-13 Thread Tony Souter
I don't think the Foundation will supply a letter, unless you have a particular 
person there in mind. This would not be a Wikemedian in residence, but an 
artist in residence, funded by Canberra and supported by a written commitment 
from the chapter (what would that commitment be?).

Who is applying? They'd need to have a demonstrably good record of professional 
standard. And how to demonstrate the ability to promote research, conservation 
and management endeavours. Solid relations with WPian editors in these fields 
would be an advantage. The current holder writes a blog, which would be worth 
looking at, as would the link to previous holders. Note that originality, 
innovaiton and intellectual merit carry 20% weighting.

Tony




On 14/01/2014, at 12:58 PM, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 WMAU is Australian and thats the focus of the application and within our 
 control... Yes a WMF supporting letter would also be fantastic addition and 
 the committee could approach them to provide one
 
 
 On 14 January 2014 09:50, Matt Inbgn mattin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Why a letter just from the chapter. Why not one from the Wikimedia foundation 
 as well?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 14 Jan 2014, at 12:44, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 It's a fantastic idea, and nice work Gnang finding it and bringing it to 
 everyone's attention. I recall back for the Wiki10 (10th anniversary of 
 Wikipedia celebrations) the WMF tried desperately (but in vain) to get an 
 antartic research group to host a party in order that there could be a party 
 on every single continent.
 
 Certainly a letter of support from the Chapter should be submitted in 
 association with any applicant. Ideally the applicant would not only be 
 taking lots of gorgeous photos but also be able to provide some kind of 
 bridge between the WP editing community and the scientists down there - to 
 help increase a) the quality of texts about antarctic geography, science and 
 history, but also to increase the awareness and skills of the science 
 community down there in potentially their becoming editors themselves. 
 
 -Liam
 
 
 wittylama.com
 Peace, love  metadata
 
 
 On 14 January 2014 12:36, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 Having been to the Antarctic back in 1996, I would certainly say to anyone 
 “go for it”! How cool it would be to be (pun intended) to be the first 
 Wikimedian in Residence in Antarctica.
 
  
 
 Kerry
 
  
 
  
 
 From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org 
 [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gnangarra
 Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014 8:50 PM
 To: Wikimedia-au
 Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] opportunity
 
  
 
 There is an opportunity for someone to spend time in Antartica, as 
 photographer I love to be able to do this, as Wikimedian imagine what 
 content you could enhance. For me I it's either 20 years too late or 10 
 years too soon, given the skills and knowledge of many people here if your 
 able to apply I say go for it... applications close 30 March 2014 so give it 
 some thought... Become the first Wikimedian in Residence in Antartica.
 
 http://www.antarctica.gov.au/media/news/2013/antarctic-arts-fellowship-apply-now
 
 I havent brought this matter to the committee but I'm sure if you were to 
 apply WMAU committee would consider requests for supporting documentation 
 where appropriate
 
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[Wikimediaau-l] Rule changes

2013-11-29 Thread Tony Souter
Members, 

I notice that a member has gone in and changed the rules to incorporate the 
rule changes that gained the support of the special general meeting in October. 

http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Rulesdiff=11027oldid=10529

Was the result of the SGM communicated to Consumer Affairs Victoria within the 
28-day period required by the law (a breach would attract a fine)?

Has the result been communicated at all to CAV? If so, has CAV approved it? 
Rule changes are not valid until the CAV approves them.

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[Wikimediaau-l] Queries

2013-11-25 Thread Tony Souter
May I ask the chapter's management committee:

(1) When did the chapter last supply a written activity and financial report 
to the WMF, as I believe is required by its trademark contract with the 
Foundation?

(2) Is it the case that at least one must be supplied within four months after 
the end of the chapter year (what is the applicable date, in that case)?

(3) Which office bearer is responsible for doing this?

(4) Is a copy of the trademark agreement (probably called Chapter agreement) 
linked from the chapter's site? When does it expire?

Tony
  
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[Wikimediaau-l] AGM and new committee appear to have no legitimacy under the law and chapter rules

2013-11-22 Thread Tony Souter
Dear members

I write with regret concerning the actions of Wikimedia Australia's management 
committee in March 2013, which have thrown the chapter into a cascade of legal 
illegitimacy that will continue ad infinitum unless addressed very soon. The 
outlines of this may be familiar to some members of the chapter, but to my 
surprise the issue has been pushed under the carpet. I have informed WMF Legal 
and Community Advocacy that there may be a problem that will impact on the the 
Foundation's trademark agreement with the chapter.

Legal background

The chapter is incorporated in the state of Victoria under the Associations 
Incorporation Act 2012, and the chapter's rules are approved and registered by 
Consumer Affairs Victoria—although by now everyone knows that CAV doesn't 
normally read the rules of associations they register, aside from a quick and 
sloppy flick through when the association is applying to change them. The 
secretary is the only officer invested with legal status in the Act.

http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Rules

http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/Domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubStatbook.nsf/f932b66241ecf1b7ca256e92000e23be/F9AF0E97F6F86597CA2579F100184027/$FILE/12-020a%20authorised.pdf

Problematic timeline

In November 2012, chapter members directly elected four office-bearers – 
secretary, president, vice-president, and treasurer – and two ordinary members, 
all for a term of one year. The results were announced at the AGM on 25 
November 2012.

http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:2012_AGM/Minutes#Election_of_officers_of_the_association_and_members_of_the_committee

On 17 March 2013, the committee decided to reshuffle these elected positions: 
the secretary would resign, the president and treasurer would swap positions, 
and the vice-president would become secretary (apparently the secretary's wish 
to resign sparked these changes en masse to the voters' decision). The 
committee's minutes record this as being done all in one hit, despite advice 
on the mailing list that casual vacancies would need to be created first 
through a succession of resignations in writing. 

http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Committee_(2013-03-17)#Committee_reshuffle

The chapter's rules provide that an office becomes vacant only under four 
conditions (resigns from the chapter, becomes insolvent, fails to attend three 
consecutive meetings, or resigns from office by notice in writing given to the 
secretary—Rule 24(c)). None of these conditions was satisfied, and the minutes 
simply announced the new offices as though it were like putting out the 
washing. I believe the secretary, Charles Gregory, did resign in writing, but 
critically this was two days later, on 19 March.

At the time of the meeting, then, no one had resigned in writing given to the 
secretary—not even the secretary himself. So there were no casual vacancies. 
The committee appears to have relied on Rule 21(4) to make the new appointments 
to casual vacancies that didn't exist. (As an aside, had the committee's 
appointment of the vice-president to the secretary's role been valid, leaving 
the vice-presidency vacant for more than 14 days was a breach of 21(4), as is 
the failure to replace Charles Gregory with a new secretary according to legal 
process: In the event of a casual vacancy, as specified in rule 24, in any 
office referred to in sub-rule (1), the committee must within 14 days appoint 
an eligible member of the organisation to the vacant office ) 

In the minutes, committee member Steven Zhang agreed to write up a formal 
re-shuffle motion. It's not that doing so would have made it all legal, but 
yes, a formal motion would have been the proper procedure. There is no evidence 
of such a motion, and a CAV representative apparently told this committee 
member on the phone that as long as the chapter's rules are complied with, 
everything's fine. That is not an endorsement by CAV.

The AGM 

Under rule 12, the secretary must cause to be sent a notice of all general 
meetings, like the annual general meeting. There is no secretary, so this rule 
was breached and the AGM is not valid.

Under rule 23(1)(b), nominations for election to the committee must be 
delivered to the Secretary of the Association not less than 7 days before the 
date fixed for the holding of the annual general meeting. There is no 
secretary, so the election is not valid.

The situation now

*The whole musical chairs exercise in March was illegitimate, and subsequently 
informing CAV as required of the change in secretary was not based on a legal 
process within the chapter, and thus would not be recognised by the Melbourne 
Magistrate's Court or the Victorian Supreme Court.

*There has been no secretary since Charles Gregory resigned in writing on 19 
March; the committee's attempt to replace him two days before, on 17 March, is 
not valid under the rules.

*The other changes in office bearers are not valid under the chapter's rules, 
since no 

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] AGM results

2013-11-22 Thread Tony Souter
That will be difficult, since you're not the legitimate president. John 
Vandenberg is in the short term.

Tony



On 23/11/2013, at 5:41 PM, Steve Zhang wrote:

 I want to thank everyone who supported my candidacy. I look forward to 
 working with the rest of the new committee in moving our organization forward.
 
 Steven Zhang
 President - Wikimedia Australia
 
 On 23/11/2013 5:30 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:
 Congraulations from me as well.  I'm confident that this group is the right 
 group to move the chapter forward, and I wish them the very best of luck for 
 the coming year.
 
 Regards,
 Craig Franklin
 
 
 Andrew Owens said:
 
 Dear members and community,
 Firstly, thank you for the opportunity to serve again after a two-year
 absence from the committee. I hope that I will be able to fulfil your
 expectations :)
 Congratulations to Steven Zhang, who has been elected president of
 Wikimedia Australia for the 2013-14 term and to other members, all of
 whom were returned unopposed, and listed below:
 * Gideon Digby - Vice President
 * Andrew Owens - Secretary
 * Michael Billington - Ordinary Member
 * Charles Gregory - Ordinary Member
 * Pru Mitchell - Ordinary Member
 * Robert Myers - Ordinary Member
 The new committee will need to fill the role of Treasurer - no-one
 stepped forward at the AGM, so a vacancy was declared.
 Watch this space - we will be looking for ideas and opportunities to
 move forward.
 kindest regards
 Andrew Owens
 Secretary
 Wikimedia Australia
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Interesting story in today's press

2013-11-12 Thread Tony Souter
Producing a position paper that the ADA can use would be one of the most 
significant things the chapter ever did. Assistance from other Wikimedians 
might be forthcoming if messages are posted (by the committee) on mailing lists 
asking for advice after a draft is written.

Some of Australia's copyright restrictions are ridiculous and unsustainable.

Please think of what the strategy would be. At a guess, analysing any ADA 
proposal, setting out how draconian some aspects of Australian copyright law 
are compared with those in the US (e.g. no fair use), and organising WMAU 
members to lobby on social media etc.

Tony










On 12/11/2013, at 7:28 PM, Andrew Owens wrote:

 http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/why-creating-memes-is-illegal-in-australia/story-fnjwmwrh-1226758121774
 
 The Australian Digital Alliance is pushing for a fair use amendment to
 the Copyright Act. Is there anything WMAu and its supporters can do to
 get on board with it?
 
 kindest regards
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[Wikimediaau-l] Resigning membership

2013-10-01 Thread Tony Souter
Dear members and committee,

I had decided to resign just before the notification about moderation of the 
private list arrived: that notification is irrelevant to my decision.

Most members, and probably the whole committee, loathe me. I can't see that 
I'll have anything positive to contribute now, since the membership register 
fiasco has soured things. 

To be frank, I find I have to severely ration my WMF online time as it is, and 
chapter activities – I mean real stuff, not just going around in circles on the 
mailing list – have always been a much lower priority for me.

So I want to leave on a positive note, which is to repeat what I've said 
before: in a country as sprawled out as Australia, forget meetups and get 
online to achieve the aims. Personal relationships with cultural institutions 
are the key: that can lead to real benefits for WMF sites. Well done John 
Vandenberg and Whiteghost, and a few others who've started good work on that 
count. I'd make those relationships a central aim, identifying the members who 
are best suited to forging them, and supporting them with small member teams. 
Probably you need to attract in more professionals from cultural institutions 
as ... associate/guest members, even fellowships, even if on a temporary 
basis: librarians, archivists, broadcasters, museum people, academics who have 
contacts – but only if they're prepared to work on temporary projects like 
persuading pre-targeted institutions to release cultural products under free 
licences. 

Now you can rejoice and be nasty about me behind my back for (another) five 
minutes, then forget. I hope your election goes well.

Tony

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[Wikimediaau-l] vids

2013-07-22 Thread Tony Souter
Gangarra et al., VisEd should have stabilised by the time we got around to 
writing/designing/producing vids. That's a pretty good time to start, to ride 
the new wave.

T

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

2013-07-20 Thread Tony Souter
we’d probably need to spend some money on professional tools for making 
instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and perhaps 
some training on how to use them effectively

I was assuming WMAU would hire a contractor for the tech side. There are 
skilled individuals who have the right equipment/software at home and are 
prepared to produce an excellent product. Nothing less than professional will 
do nowadays, and it could be really slick, which sends a good message about WMF 
sites. WMAU's input would be in designing and writing the vid, probably in 
consultation with the contractor. And in the first place deciding on what 
aspects of editing are the targets – and whether they'd be Australian-specific.

All I know is that I've not yet seen a really good, attractive vid about 
editing WP. If someone has, please link me to it.

Gillian White probably has a good knowledge of what is available already, and 
might be able to identify ways in which we could fill an important niche.

T



On 21/07/2013, at 8:43 AM, Kerry Raymond wrote:

 In
  
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
  
 Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training and/or to 
 replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the WMF’s enthusiasm 
 for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards “low-hanging fruit” projects.
  
 Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit 
 problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we 
 know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain 
 attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training 
 (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice 
 project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into 
 instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially reach 
 a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200 people 
 we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be absolutely 
 zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is much higher (we 
 can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit training.
  
 Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian WP 
 community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like to run 
 these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives). Would we 
 find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional videos which 
 they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they wanted? I don’t know. What are the 
 relative costs? Well, edit training generally has travel costs, but we’d 
 probably need to spend some money on professional tools for making 
 instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and perhaps 
 some training on how to use them effectively.
  
 So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or 
 higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of 
 infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world 
 (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).
  
 Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical problem in 
 relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality of the visual 
 editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop materials (slides 
 and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of videos. But my question 
 here is more philosophical about the risk/return model of what we do.
  
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Visual Editor - your thoughts?

2013-07-03 Thread Tony Souter
 editor and then out of the articles that used them, but no 
 doubt there would have been howls of outrage if that had occurred. If the 
 goal is an easy-to-use WYSIWYG editor, then I think some existing 
 functionality will have to be discarded or revised to achieve it.
 
  
 
 How are other people finding the Visual Editor?
 
  
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Warning: Visual Editor - turn it on and it seems you can't turn it off!

2013-07-02 Thread Tony Souter
Who's still using Internet Explorer? Memo to everyone: please trash it and use 
a decent browser.

Kerry, you may be interested to know that there's a proposal to create a User 
Council on en.WP.

T

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#User_Council



On 03/07/2013, at 3:11 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:

 You might have seen the banner across Wikipedia saying:
  
 VisualEditor is now enabled for all logged-in users. Learn more, help out and 
 give feedback.
  
 If you bother to follow the link above, it says in about the 3rd paragraph:
  
 That said, if you really can't stand the extra tab, you can completely hide 
 VisualEditor from your interface by enabling an experimental gadget: go to 
 your preferences, scroll down to Editing, tick the box labeled Remove 
 VisualEditor from the user interface, then scroll to the bottom and click 
 Save. You can reactivate it at any time by unticking the box.
  
 Having read that, I thought I’d take the Visual Editor for a spin (you enable 
 it in Preferences  Editing). Having decided I didn’t enjoy the Visual 
 Editor, I decided to turn it off again. Lo and behold, I found there was no 
 Remove VisualEditor option in my Preferences  Editing as promised. It seems 
 like it is a one-way trip. Perhaps unsurprisingly people are complaining 
 about this:
  
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions#Visual_Editor_turn_off
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#VisualEditor_going_live
  
 especially as it appears it was a deliberate decision to not let you turn it 
 off in your preferences.
  
 However, it seems there is a way to turn it off. Go to
  
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets
  
 and disable it (first entry on the Editing section).
  
 It has been suggested that this method may not work for everyone (not sure 
 why that is). However, it did work for me. The Visual Editor has disappeared.
  
 There is also Plan B. The Visual Editor will not run on Internet Explorer and 
 it reverts to the “old” editor if you are using IE. So if all else fails, use 
 Internet Explorer for your editing.
  
 Kerry
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [cultural-partners] This Saturday – in a language version near you

2013-06-24 Thread Tony Souter
Will refreshments be served?

T


On 24/06/2013, at 6:27 PM, John Vandenberg wrote:

 This Saturday, we have an online only WWI edit-a-thon.  If you are
 interested, please sign up at
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_edit-a-thons/Australia#First
 
 If you have questions, post them here, or email Hawkeye7 (hawke...@gmail.com)
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hawkeye7
 
 There will be a physical edit-a-thon in Sydney at State Library NSW on
 11 November 2013 (Armistice Day), so please put that in your diary
 too.
 
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 From: John Andersson john.anders...@wikimedia.se
 Date: Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 6:03 PM
 Subject: [cultural-partners] This Saturday – in a language version near you
 To: cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch,
 g...@lists.wikimedia.org g...@lists.wikimedia.org
 
 
 Dear everybody,
 
 
 Sorry for cross posting.
 
 
 On Saturday the 29th of June, there will be a number of WWI
 edit-a-thons organized in Europe and Australia! So far six countries
 have edit-a-thons planned and volunteers from two other countries are
 planning online events in two other Wikipedia language versions!
 
 
 This is an initiative by Wikimedia Sverige, in cooperation with
 Europeana, and we would like to invite all of you to organize a small
 gathering in your country/hometown; create an online contest in your
 language version; or simply join one of the existing ones – simply
 sign up on Meta or drop me an email if you have any questions!
 
 
 If you, as a participant, use the images from Europeana and write
 articles you can win a travel check with 300 euros (which for example
 could help cover part of your costs for participating at Wikimania or
 some other nice trip)! Read more about the Europeana Challenge here.
 
 
 As far as I know this is the largest number of parallel edit-a-thons
 ever! So don't miss out now when we are writing history! *pun
 intended*
 
 
 Kind regards,
 
 
 John
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 Email: john.anders...@wikimedia.se
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Full-time Wikipedian-in-Residence at National Library of Scotland

2013-06-21 Thread Tony Souter
WMAU should be aiming to get a bit of press coverage occasionally. But it needs 
a good press release (at times I could provide a little assistance). And the 
opportunities need to be carefully rationed to get a hit or two.

T


On 21/06/2013, at 10:18 AM, Gnangarra wrote:

 They have already interviewed, a wikimedian from WA was in Edinburgh last 
 week being interviewed
 
 On 21 June 2013 06:27, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22264118
 
  
 
 This is in collaboration with Wikimedia UK.
 
  
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] time to join Wikimedia Australia?

2013-06-16 Thread Tony Souter
Pyjamas: that's a timid concept. There's a rumour going around that some people 
edit Wikipedia in the nude. I don't believe it.

T

On 16/06/2013, at 7:29 PM, K. Peachey wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 …
 you get to spend more time with people who don’t think you are weird for
 editing Wikipedia at 3am in your pyjamas [delete this reason if you don’t
 edit at 3am in your pyjamas]
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimediaau-l Digest, Vol 81, Issue 6

2013-06-13 Thread Tony Souter
Good resources indeed, on the training-day page. I'm bookmarking it with a view 
to suggesting other training sessions take a look. I wonder whether any of them 
are translated into other languages.

Tony 


On 13/06/2013, at 10:52 PM, Craig Franklin wrote:

 Leigh,
 
 I just wanted to say thanks again for taking the time to do this session.  
 The feedback we've got from the folk at GCCC is great and hopefully this is 
 the first step in another partnership with them.  
 
 I note that Kerry Raymond will be doing another session later this month also 
 on the Gold Coast.  Kerry's session will be open to the general public and 
 not just council library staff.  If any member of the Australian Wikimedia 
 community available and interested in helping out, please drop Kerry or I a 
 line to indicate your interest.  Reasonable travel costs will be reimbursed 
 by the chapter to participate.
 
 Cheers,
 Craig
 
 
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 A Wikimedia training day was held at the Palm Beach Community Lounge and
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[Wikimediaau-l] Link to vid on blind ABC radio cadet

2013-05-18 Thread Tony Souter
Our secretary, Graham Pearce, just alerted me to this. 

First, any lateral thinkers as to ways WMAU could value-add from this idea, or 
from collaboration?

Second, I've heard mention that the WMF could do with a thematic organisation 
to facilitate progress on innovations for visually impaired editors and 
readers. One can only hope.

Tony

ABC journalist breaking new ground - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [---] Australian Census Data Released Under CC License, But Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download

2013-04-29 Thread Tony Souter
And a huge thank you to Toby for his tireless work in bringing us these graphic 
resources. It would be good to have more of them used in articles – so if 
members know of editors on en.WP who are in a position to expand their use, 
please let them know.

Tony


On 30/04/2013, at 1:01 AM, Toby Hudson wrote:

 I find the ABS better than most government departments.  Although I haven't 
 found stable deeplinks to census data, I'm reasonably happy with everything 
 else.
 
 Just a reminder that every timeseries the ABS makes available (all 64293 of 
 them) has been plotted, is available on Commons, and gets updated to 
 incorporate additional datapoints and new datasets:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_using_data_from_the_Australian_Bureau_of_Statistics
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Statistics_of_Australia
 About one hundred of these are in use on en-wiki, but I think there's 
 potential for plenty more.
 
 Also, if it's census data you want, I have written the scripts to make maps 
 like these for any census question (in the Basic Community Profile so far) 
 for any geographic subdivision method:
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:SVG_maps_using_data_from_the_Australian_Bureau_of_Statistics
 I'd like to improve them before doing a mass upload, but if you want anything 
 in particular, let me know.
 
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[Wikimediaau-l] This is great news

2013-03-22 Thread Tony Souter
Whiteghost and Liam, it's an excellent turn of events. And getting a critical 
mass among state libraries, so that they'll talk to each other about 
chapter-initiated moves to free up more of their cultural content – that will 
be a bonus.

T



On 22/03/2013, at 6:31 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote:

 As someone who has been working with Whiteghost.ink in the GLAM space in 
 Sydney, with the SLNSW specifically, and in a wide variety of other ways for 
 many years, I am extremely happy and proud of this announcement! In a way it 
 is the payoff from having the first ever GLAM-Wiki conference in Canberra 
 back in 2009 (that's my claim at least!)
 
 I'm not forgetting the great work with WiR that has happened in other 
 libraries around the world, significant ongoing collaboration projects with 
 other libraries in Australia, and Wikimedia Australia's ongoin relationship 
 with the Paralympic commission (including the associated WiR there). However, 
 being a Sydneysider whose first love is History means that I have a strong 
 affinity for the Library, its collections and its cultural status. So, it is 
 fantastic that across the whole country it should be the first GLAM to have a 
 Wikipedian-in-Residence in the country!
 
 Congratulations :-)
 
 Liam / Wittylama
 
 On Friday, 22 March 2013, G. White wrote:
 Dear Australian Wikimedian and Cultural Partnerships teams,
 
 I'm extremely pleased to announce that this week I started as 
 Wikipedian-in-Residence at the State Library of New South Wales (SLNSW), 
 which is our oldest library and has a collection of global importance, 
 including significant rare books, manuscripts and objects. It is a place to 
 which almost every Australian scholar would pay homage. This is the first 
 time there has been a Wikipedian-in-Residence in an Australian cultural 
 institution and it has it has taken some time to work through the 
 administrative processes to establish the position. As some of you know, 
 Wikimedia Australia has been doing a lot of work with libraries locally. Most 
 recently we were the major sponsors at the annual librarians conference and 
 over the last couple of years we have been travelling to regional areas to 
 deliver training to the local librarians (in partnership with several of the 
 State Libraries). SLNSW also has a partnership with the National Library in 
 Canberra, which is digitising Australian newspapers and linking the records 
 back to the respective Wikipedia articles (example). Most significantly is 
 that the SLNSW has been been building up a strong relationship with us 
 recently and myself and other local Wikimedians have been delivered several 
 training workshops to an in-house team of librarians who are contributing 
 references and content to Wikipedia as part of their day-to-day work (project 
 page). You can see there that a lot of the content we've been targeting for 
 the team to write is the articles about the newspapers that have now been 
 digitised. 
 
 My WiR position reports to the Leader of the library's Innovation Project 
 (Mylee Joseph, cc'd here), who is the instigator of that team. Since my term 
 as WiR is for one day a week over 14 weeks, and the scope of work is 
 excitingly ambitious, it is this team that will make it possible to achieve 
 what one part time Resident could not. They are a keen and capable group. The 
 Residency has been established to provide training, coaching, guidance, 
 specialist advice to staff, evaluation of related projects as well as 
 assistance with process mapping and benchmarking so that other Australian 
 libraries can benefit from SLNSW's experience. In terms of content, as well 
 as the newspapers, my Residency is likely to be involved in work on articles 
 on the The 100 Objects Exhibition, indigenous and original materials, convict 
 women, convict artists, the crossing of the Blue Mountains and Australia's 
 involvement in World War I.
  
 I am glad this group has paved the way and am very excited about the 
 possibilities before us! I will post updates here and in the This Month in 
 GLAM report. I will also probably come here to ask questions and seek 
 feedback and help. I hope that the process mapping and benchmarking would 
 also be useful to similar projects elsewhere.
 
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[Wikimediaau-l] Constitutional query about this reshuffle

2013-03-19 Thread Tony Souter
Dear members

Given the legal requirements of incorporation in Victoria, it's important to 
check that the unusual reshuffle of committee office-bearers last weekend was 
conducted in accordance with WMAU's by-laws. These by-laws were forwarded to 
the WMF as part of the process of gaining the Foundation's agreement to renew 
the trademark agreement. 

The attempt to reshuffle the roles of three office bearers who were elected to 
specific positions by the membership a few months ago appears to have relied on 
the provisions for casual vacancies, just months after an election that filled 
those specific offices:

21. Office holders
... 

(4) In the event of a casual vacancy, as specified in rule 24, in any office 
referred to in sub-rule (1), the committee may appoint one of its members to 
the vacant office and the member appointed may continue in office up to and 
including the conclusion of the annual general meeting next following the date 
of the appointment.


Could I ask whether the president, treasurer, and secretary each satisfied one 
of the four conditions required by section 24 for the offices to become vacant 
in the first place before the committee sought to appoint different members as 
president, treasurer, and secretary, and if so, which condition applied to each 
of John, Craig, and Graham?

24. Vacancies
The office of an officer of the Association, or of an ordinary member of the 
committee, becomes vacant if the officer or member--
(a) ceases to be a member of the Association; or
(b) becomes an insolvent under administration within the meaning of the 
Corporations Law; or
(c) resigns from office by notice in writing given to the Secretary.
(d) fails to attend three consecutive scheduled committee meetings without 
leave.

Regards

Tony


 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: Wikimedia Australia public meeting

2013-03-04 Thread Tony Souter
I'm flexible, but 20:00 AEST sounds good. 

Could I suggest a note to memebers about five to seven days beforehand, perhaps 
specifying a kick-off issue/agenda item or two, and that the meeting might be 
limited to 60 mins or less? If the maximum duration is long, or the end-time is 
open-ended, the drop-in drop-out casualness of it all detracts from the 
cohesiveness of the gathering.

T


On 04/03/2013, at 9:11 PM, Craig Franklin wrote:

 Firstly, apologies on the somewhat late notice - would members prefer it if 
 we dropped a notice in a couple of days beforehand?  Remembering that the 
 meeting is *always* on the first Sunday of the month?
 
 Secondly, Gnangarra raises a good point that we should move the time around a 
 bit every now and then for the benefit of those for whom the normal time is 
 not convenient.  As daylight savings ends at the beginning of April (I 
 think), would anyone object to holding the April meeting at 8pm AEST (6pm WA 
 time)?  Or is there another time that would be even better for the other WA 
 folk?
 
 Cheers,
 Craig
 
 On 3 March 2013 23:02, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:
 WA 2pm on a sunday afternoon in the middle of a long weekend, not really 
 practical. Hopefully once Vic, NSW SA and TAS go off daylight saving the 
 committee will hold one of these at say 6pm wst, 8pm est.
 
 On 3 March 2013 20:52, Chris Watkins chriswater...@appropedia.org wrote:
 
 On 3 March 2013 14:46, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 Could there be more notice? And an agenda topic or two might attract more 
 members into participating. Items don't have to be billed as occupying the 
 meeting exclusively.
 
 Agreed - I appreciate the work done by the organizers, but I reckon more 
 notice and topics would get more of us to join in. 
 
 I have the meetings as a recurring event in my calendar, but something always 
 distracts me... if I knew what was going to be discussed, I'm sure I'd be 
 more likely to remember to actually log on.
 
 
  
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia Australia public meeting

2013-03-02 Thread Tony Souter
Could there be more notice? And an agenda topic or two might attract more 
members into participating. Items don't have to be billed as occupying the 
meeting exclusively.

T


On 03/03/2013, at 1:13 PM, Craig Franklin wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 There will be a public Wikimedia Australia meeting today, 3rd March at 17:00 
 hours (5:00pm in NSW, VIC, ACT and TAS, 4pm QLD, 4:30pm SA, 3:30pm NT and 2pm 
 WA).  It will be held in #wikimedia-au on the Freenode IRC network. There is 
 no set agenda so you are welcome to start a discussion about anything related 
 to Wikimedia Australia.
  
 Please see http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/IRC for more details.
 
 Regards,
 
 Craig Franklin
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia Day meetups

2012-12-25 Thread Tony Souter
I don't suppose we could have a live vid stream from Melbourne, could we? The 
way they do for Wikimania? Might be too expensive.

And will there be an IRC channel for this event?

Tony


On 25/12/2012, at 1:43 AM, Steven Zhang wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 I think we should start prepping for Wikipedia Day meetups. The actual day is 
 a weekday, so it might be good to have it on Sunday, January 6. The committee 
 will be sitting in Melbourne that weekend, so I will be making some 
 arrangements for Melbourne, but it'd be great to have Meetups on the day in 
 other cities. If you have an interest in organising a meetup for that Sunday, 
 please let us know :-)
 
 Let's make Wikipedia's 12th anniversary memorable! 
 
 Steve Zhang 
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Lets talk about the 2013 Annual Plan...

2012-12-11 Thread Tony Souter
I wasn't aware that my name and my private email address would be published in 
your recent reply on the public list. Not happy.

Why are those on the public list not simply encouraged to provide feedback on 
the public list?


On 11/12/2012, at 10:58 PM, Craig Franklin wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 As you may be aware, at the recent AGM, the members of Wikimedia Australia 
 approved our annual plan, but also directed the committee to revise and 
 adjust the plan to a more modest state with a view to applying for Round 2 
 funding from the FDC, early in the new year.
 
 With that in mind... what sort of revisions and feedback do you have for us?  
 Obviously I can't promise to satisfy every single person but I'm interested 
 to feel the pulse and see what people generally speaking are thinking.  The 
 only thing I can promise is that if you don't provide any feedback, then I 
 won't be able to consider it!
 
 If you're not comfortable replying in a public setting, I'm happy to consider 
 any comments put forward in private emails as well.
 
 Cheers,
 Craig Franklin
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