Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan: international events ...
Yes, agreed. Though I think there are ways such an event can take place cheaply, and even ways for it to make money (Rego fees but free for members). For example, we're pulling together a little one day conference for a couple of hundred dollars and a heap of in kind: http://tinyurl.com/aaaopenconf and the Sydney Uni Wikimedia in Ed symposium was an excellent event for consolidating and extending education and research practice, it just needed better promotion and documentation - yearly consistency would bring that. If the objective is to build and strengthen community, then I think a National Wikiminia, hosted in a University or Glam with a heap of inkind support, would do that. The conference format coupled with the journal (WAJER) is inviting to academics.. If that is a target group. The Sydney Uni symposium was the first Wikiminia in my mind. On 21/07/2013 12:44 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: I do like the Wikiminia title! But on conferences and meetups generally, I think we need to look realistically at the value for money when we set up these events. The bare fact of the matter is that setting up an event in Australia is expensive. Accommodation, venues, and most importantly travel costs are very high by international standards. So before we start thinking about having more symposiums, conferences, and other get-togethers, we really need to ask ourselves if that is the most cost effective way to achieve whatever it is that we're looking to do. Are the higher costs justified by the benefit of having face-to-face communication? The answer of course may be yes, but that needs to be quantified before we go and start inviting people. And to my mind the best way to approach it is not to decide to have a real life event, and then fill it with various programmes, but to decide what it is we want to achieve as an organisation, and then hold an event if that is the most sensible way to achieve those goals. Regards, Craig Franklin On 21 July 2013 08:43, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. Also, at least one of the International events: Wikimania, offers support for travel already. But targeting funds for the purposes you outline seems a good idea. Speaking of Wikimania... and linking to the WAJER idea, but ignoring the chinwagging perspective, how about ab annual event called Wikiminia? Bringing together datahackers, local real work community groups, and wikiheads, mostly to celebrate, issue awards, dream big, eat and chinwag, but on a local outreach scale. Hosting such a thing is taking another financial incentive open to academics too.. They are recognised andpossibly rewarded for four publishing in WAJER and presenting at Wikiminia. I volunteer to help organise. On 21/07/2013 8:00 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: Tony1 has made some comments about the 2014 Annual Plan: ** ** http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan ** ** and I hope we will be hearing more from others! ** ** In regard to his comment about WMAU being represented at international events, it’s probably worth a broader discussion of some of the issues here. ** ** In 2013, we didn't budget any money for participation in international community events, precisely because we (the committee) were doubtful about the benefits from “chinwagging” relative to the costs. However, that has been interpreted by others as not engaging with the broader community, etc. In particular we had a certain amount of criticism for not being represented at the Chapters Conference. ** ** The other issue here is that, despite all the electronic means of communication, people still seem to need face-to-face meetings (and, in particular, the act of eating together) to build trust and goodwill; this is something that I have seen so many times in my years in international standards development (even though almost all the people I worked with were IT people and hence those who one might think most able to work effectively electronically). And trust/goodwill is important when it comes to getting money, so it may be that an international airfare for some carefully-chosen event (meaning who will be there) might be an excellent investment. So that's why it's on the list of possibilities for discussion. ** ** Kerry ** ** ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan: international events ...
One of our(WMAU) issues is that we work in isolation for most editors that isolation isnt a big issue but our best results come form when we break that isolation and bring people together. WMAU biggest achievement came when we were able to bring a group together in Canberra in 2009, we changed the way the whole movement worked with GLAMs. Since then we have run successful projects in QLD, NSW WA but they have been locally driven, locally supported. IMHO something that has been tossed around a number of times yet never developed is local groups, local representation within WMAU. I think while looking outside to bring others together is a good idea and will help we need to bring our community together as well. The townhall project suggest last years was one way of doing that, as are other event based happenings Craig attending the launch of Freopedia in doing so it did alot to advance WMAU programs in WA. Doing once off little gestures isnt enough everything needs the followup, at the moment all our planning is around the single song and dance routines we need to look more at planning multiple repeats. Funding a single Wikiminia is nice but the reality is we need to commit to funding such events over an extend time period, we dont have those resources nor are we likely to get them in the short term. On 21 July 2013 10:44, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: I do like the Wikiminia title! But on conferences and meetups generally, I think we need to look realistically at the value for money when we set up these events. The bare fact of the matter is that setting up an event in Australia is expensive. Accommodation, venues, and most importantly travel costs are very high by international standards. So before we start thinking about having more symposiums, conferences, and other get-togethers, we really need to ask ourselves if that is the most cost effective way to achieve whatever it is that we're looking to do. Are the higher costs justified by the benefit of having face-to-face communication? The answer of course may be yes, but that needs to be quantified before we go and start inviting people. And to my mind the best way to approach it is not to decide to have a real life event, and then fill it with various programmes, but to decide what it is we want to achieve as an organisation, and then hold an event if that is the most sensible way to achieve those goals. Regards, Craig Franklin On 21 July 2013 08:43, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. Also, at least one of the International events: Wikimania, offers support for travel already. But targeting funds for the purposes you outline seems a good idea. Speaking of Wikimania... and linking to the WAJER idea, but ignoring the chinwagging perspective, how about ab annual event called Wikiminia? Bringing together datahackers, local real work community groups, and wikiheads, mostly to celebrate, issue awards, dream big, eat and chinwag, but on a local outreach scale. Hosting such a thing is taking another financial incentive open to academics too.. They are recognised andpossibly rewarded for four publishing in WAJER and presenting at Wikiminia. I volunteer to help organise. On 21/07/2013 8:00 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: Tony1 has made some comments about the 2014 Annual Plan: ** ** http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan ** ** and I hope we will be hearing more from others! ** ** In regard to his comment about WMAU being represented at international events, it’s probably worth a broader discussion of some of the issues here. ** ** In 2013, we didn't budget any money for participation in international community events, precisely because we (the committee) were doubtful about the benefits from “chinwagging” relative to the costs. However, that has been interpreted by others as not engaging with the broader community, etc. In particular we had a certain amount of criticism for not being represented at the Chapters Conference. ** ** The other issue here is that, despite all the electronic means of communication, people still seem to need face-to-face meetings (and, in particular, the act of eating together) to build trust and goodwill; this is something that I have seen so many times in my years in international standards development (even though almost all the people I worked with were IT people and hence those who one might think most able to work effectively electronically). And trust/goodwill is important when it comes to getting money, so it may be that an international airfare for some carefully-chosen event (meaning who will be there) might be an excellent investment. So that's why it's on the list of possibilities for discussion. ** ** Kerry ** ** ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan
both wonderful ideas Leigh, the second is something thats been talked about in WA as well, its also rather simple to setup though the big hurdles are on the hosting side of things, theres too many endangered Indigenous languages and stories that should be recorded. If you expand on that theme we are currently working on WWI projects the one thing we cant reproduce and present is the stories of those that were there but we still have time to record stories from WWII, Korea, Vietnam... likewise places, towns, communities in WA are all to quickly dropping off the map we could be out recording those as well... This ties in with the WMF strategic plan key points of; - Increase Participation - Increase Reach - Improve quality - Encourage inovation There is the one over riding factor *Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge *until we reach these communities and have them participating we arent sharing the sum of all knowledge, imagine that :( On 19 July 2013 08:01, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote: Thinking further, and I hope you're able to consider suggestions from non-members.. 1. Start the Wikimedia Australia Journal for Education and Research (WAJER) on Wikiversity. I volunteer to be a peer reviewer. It is a venue for peer reviewing and publishing works developed in or about the Wikimedia projects, and related fields. If, over time it achieves impact factor, and it will by our own metrix, then we will lobby Excellence in Research Australia to recognise it. When that happens, academics have no reason not to engage. 2. Establish a restricted access MediaWiki for culturally vulnerable and sensitive groups in Australia. I'm thinking primarily Indigenous Australians, but also refugees and recent migrants, or minority groups that are at risk of oppression and exploitation. The purpose of the closed wiki is to offer a secure place to start and trial projects, for as long as they need to deciding how and when their works can move to the main projects. In my limited experience working with Indigenous Australians, this would remove a significant obstacle for their engagement. John Vandenberg was proposing something like this last year, and I had at least 2 large groups in the NT wanting such a thing, and now another in Victoria. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.comwrote: And some case study or exemplar for an appropriate and informed relationship between a university marketing department, and the ethos of the wiki projects. Ie, remove the barrier that marketing would place on faculty engagement with the project On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not able to edit WMAu wiki, Good to see a continuation of Wikimedia in Higher Education. We could sure use some more proactive support in our effort to develop educational practices around the Wikimedia projects. This includes, librarian awareness campaigns, how to edit workshops, WMAu partnering in funding applications, a road show of Australian work to date, more active use of Wikiversity as a hub for this sort of project. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.comwrote: A little while ago there was a call for ideas for our Annual Plan for 2014, which is an essential part of our FDC funding application (can't ask for money unless we have things we intend to do!). To try to get this conversation going, I have thrown together a list of ideas that have come up. Which of these are worth doing? Which not? What's missing from the list? http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan Please discuss via email or via editing the page/talk as you prefer. Kerry ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 -- GN. Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com Gn. Blogg: http://gnangarra.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan
Thanks, Leigh, for your ideas. I have added them to: http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan As always we welcome feedback on this list, particularly in terms of establishing priorities (since we can't do everything). Kerry _ From: Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 10:01 AM To: Wikimedia Australia Chapter Cc: WMAu members Subject: [wmau:members] Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2014 Annual Plan Thinking further, and I hope you're able to consider suggestions from non-members.. 1. Start the Wikimedia Australia Journal for Education and Research (WAJER) on Wikiversity. I volunteer to be a peer reviewer. It is a venue for peer reviewing and publishing works developed in or about the Wikimedia projects, and related fields. If, over time it achieves impact factor, and it will by our own metrix, then we will lobby Excellence in Research Australia to recognise it. When that happens, academics have no reason not to engage. 2. Establish a restricted access MediaWiki for culturally vulnerable and sensitive groups in Australia. I'm thinking primarily Indigenous Australians, but also refugees and recent migrants, or minority groups that are at risk of oppression and exploitation. The purpose of the closed wiki is to offer a secure place to start and trial projects, for as long as they need to deciding how and when their works can move to the main projects. In my limited experience working with Indigenous Australians, this would remove a significant obstacle for their engagement. John Vandenberg was proposing something like this last year, and I had at least 2 large groups in the NT wanting such a thing, and now another in Victoria. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote: And some case study or exemplar for an appropriate and informed relationship between a university marketing department, and the ethos of the wiki projects. Ie, remove the barrier that marketing would place on faculty engagement with the project On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not able to edit WMAu wiki, Good to see a continuation of Wikimedia in Higher Education. We could sure use some more proactive support in our effort to develop educational practices around the Wikimedia projects. This includes, librarian awareness campaigns, how to edit workshops, WMAu partnering in funding applications, a road show of Australian work to date, more active use of Wikiversity as a hub for this sort of project. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: A little while ago there was a call for ideas for our Annual Plan for 2014, which is an essential part of our FDC funding application (can't ask for money unless we have things we intend to do!). To try to get this conversation going, I have thrown together a list of ideas that have come up. Which of these are worth doing? Which not? What's missing from the list? http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan Please discuss via email or via editing the page/talk as you prefer. Kerry ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan
Leigh Priority is a combination of: * what members tell us they'd like to do, * what the committee thinks feasible to do * what the WMF will fund us to do. Kerry _ From: Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 12:21 PM To: kerry.raym...@gmail.com Cc: Wikimedia Australia Chapter; WMAu members Subject: Re: [wmau:members] Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2014 Annual Plan Thanks Kerry and Gnangarra. I think the ideas I put forward are high priority, but I have a tendency to think that way, so I'll leave it to you guys to work out. Happy to participate in discussion trying to order the priorities though. Regards, Leigh On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Leigh, for your ideas. I have added them to: http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan As always we welcome feedback on this list, particularly in terms of establishing priorities (since we can't do everything). Kerry _ From: Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 19 July 2013 10:01 AM To: Wikimedia Australia Chapter Cc: WMAu members Subject: [wmau:members] Re: [Wikimediaau-l] 2014 Annual Plan Thinking further, and I hope you're able to consider suggestions from non-members.. 1. Start the Wikimedia Australia Journal for Education and Research (WAJER) on Wikiversity. I volunteer to be a peer reviewer. It is a venue for peer reviewing and publishing works developed in or about the Wikimedia projects, and related fields. If, over time it achieves impact factor, and it will by our own metrix, then we will lobby Excellence in Research Australia to recognise it. When that happens, academics have no reason not to engage. 2. Establish a restricted access MediaWiki for culturally vulnerable and sensitive groups in Australia. I'm thinking primarily Indigenous Australians, but also refugees and recent migrants, or minority groups that are at risk of oppression and exploitation. The purpose of the closed wiki is to offer a secure place to start and trial projects, for as long as they need to deciding how and when their works can move to the main projects. In my limited experience working with Indigenous Australians, this would remove a significant obstacle for their engagement. John Vandenberg was proposing something like this last year, and I had at least 2 large groups in the NT wanting such a thing, and now another in Victoria. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote: And some case study or exemplar for an appropriate and informed relationship between a university marketing department, and the ethos of the wiki projects. Ie, remove the barrier that marketing would place on faculty engagement with the project On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not able to edit WMAu wiki, Good to see a continuation of Wikimedia in Higher Education. We could sure use some more proactive support in our effort to develop educational practices around the Wikimedia projects. This includes, librarian awareness campaigns, how to edit workshops, WMAu partnering in funding applications, a road show of Australian work to date, more active use of Wikiversity as a hub for this sort of project. On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote: A little while ago there was a call for ideas for our Annual Plan for 2014, which is an essential part of our FDC funding application (can't ask for money unless we have things we intend to do!). To try to get this conversation going, I have thrown together a list of ideas that have come up. Which of these are worth doing? Which not? What's missing from the list? http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan Please discuss via email or via editing the page/talk as you prefer. Kerry ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 -- -- Leigh Blackall http://about.me/leighblackall +61(0)404561009 ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
