Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia Loves Art! photo contest at the Powerhouse Museum
I would agree with Sarah here. I just looked up the numbers and 60% of our population live in our five biggest cities. About another 20-25% live within 100-200 miles of them. Sydney and Melbourne are around 900 km (560 mi) apart, Brisbane is 1000km from Sydney (625 mi) and Perth is 3300km by air or 4000km by road. That covers the main four places where our people are. WM doesn't currently have the financial resources to fly people around. So I doubt anyone would intend to get in the way of what appears to be a successful project by local volunteers with our chapter's support. Wikimedia-AU should have the view of if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. cheers Andrew 2009/1/5 Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com I don't really know the details of what people have decided to do or not to do so I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone but myself. However, a general problem we have is that Australia is geographically a very large country, nearly as large as mainland USA but a very small population, somewhere in the order of 21 million people. Thus we are a small group of people very spread out geographically. I do not feel it would be appropriate for WMA to press the Sydneysiders to take on any project if they have decided against it as they will be the ones who have to follow through with it. It may be a mistake, as you say, I'm not sure how or why, but I think that it is entirely up to the Sydneysiders rather than the chapter or members in other states/countries who won't be involved. You said, I hope that Wikimedia AU can reconsider and join our little effort. The chapter isn't going to overrule the local members and force them to participate in an event if they have decided to do something else instead, so I think you will have to resolve this with those local members. -Sarah On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.comwrote: Hi folks, It has come to my attention that Liam and you folks have decided not to pursue this project. I think this would be a mistake. So, I thought I would write you folks and everyone at Wikimedia AU this e-mail so we can start a broader conversation. I understand you folks were interested in doing another project with Powerhouse, which is great, but I don't see why that would preclude joining us in this project as well. The important thing to understand is that this is a pre-wrapped project, where the model has already been developed and accepted by several different museums around the world, and getting it going in Sydney would require minimal work on your part. Since this is a project that has some establishment cred with the other museums, it could even be a great way to get your foot in the door for future, and hopefully more ambitious, activities. I know Liam expressed concern about having to schedule something for a particular day. It should be clear that this event is not on one day; it's run during the whole month of February, but the museums can choose to have a public event on any particular day they might like. You should know that we currently have four museums that are part of this project, in New York City, London, Los Angeles and Indianapolis, and we're working on Wikimedian teams in each. On the chapters front, in addition to Wikimedia New York City (which if we're lucky might become official by event time), we're also working closely with Wikimedia UK, and their Secretary Andrew Turvey. Jay Walsh has commented to me that this is really the first inter-chapter project of this type, and I hope that Wikimedia AU can reconsider and join our little effort. As I understand it, they're maybe on the fence now at Powerhouse with WLA, and a simple word from you folks could push them into positive territory. Thanks for your consideration, Pharos 2008/11/9 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: Regarding powerhouse museum: I think they are the best place to start if we try and do this kind of thing (which I think would be great) because the PHM gets web 2.0 - they don't necessarily succeed at it (vis - their attempt at QR codes described here: http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/dmsblog/index.php/2008/10/23/some-qr-code-clarifications/ ) but they are involved more than any other institution in australia that I know of. Thank their web services manager Seb Chan for that - which is why I would really like him to come to Wiki-Wednesday. He has been involved peripherally with the Dictionary of Sydney too which is where I first met him. I have a feeling I've said this before but I can't remember so I'll say it anyway (apologies if I repeat myself). I would think that the PHM would be a good place to start if we wanted to try a backstage tour for WM-au. That is, they show us around somewhere normally not accessible and we, in return, spend time with them improving articles of their choice (and teaching them how to do it themselves too). I think that if this is
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia Loves Art! photo contest at the Powerhouse Museum
Hi folks, It has come to my attention that Liam and you folks have decided not to pursue this project. I think this would be a mistake. So, I thought I would write you folks and everyone at Wikimedia AU this e-mail so we can start a broader conversation. I understand you folks were interested in doing another project with Powerhouse, which is great, but I don't see why that would preclude joining us in this project as well. The important thing to understand is that this is a pre-wrapped project, where the model has already been developed and accepted by several different museums around the world, and getting it going in Sydney would require minimal work on your part. Since this is a project that has some establishment cred with the other museums, it could even be a great way to get your foot in the door for future, and hopefully more ambitious, activities. I know Liam expressed concern about having to schedule something for a particular day. It should be clear that this event is not on one day; it's run during the whole month of February, but the museums can choose to have a public event on any particular day they might like. You should know that we currently have four museums that are part of this project, in New York City, London, Los Angeles and Indianapolis, and we're working on Wikimedian teams in each. On the chapters front, in addition to Wikimedia New York City (which if we're lucky might become official by event time), we're also working closely with Wikimedia UK, and their Secretary Andrew Turvey. Jay Walsh has commented to me that this is really the first inter-chapter project of this type, and I hope that Wikimedia AU can reconsider and join our little effort. As I understand it, they're maybe on the fence now at Powerhouse with WLA, and a simple word from you folks could push them into positive territory. Thanks for your consideration, Pharos 2008/11/9 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: Regarding powerhouse museum: I think they are the best place to start if we try and do this kind of thing (which I think would be great) because the PHM gets web 2.0 - they don't necessarily succeed at it (vis - their attempt at QR codes described here: http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/dmsblog/index.php/2008/10/23/some-qr-code-clarifications/ ) but they are involved more than any other institution in australia that I know of. Thank their web services manager Seb Chan for that - which is why I would really like him to come to Wiki-Wednesday. He has been involved peripherally with the Dictionary of Sydney too which is where I first met him. I have a feeling I've said this before but I can't remember so I'll say it anyway (apologies if I repeat myself). I would think that the PHM would be a good place to start if we wanted to try a backstage tour for WM-au. That is, they show us around somewhere normally not accessible and we, in return, spend time with them improving articles of their choice (and teaching them how to do it themselves too). I think that if this is successful with the PHM we should approach the National Trust... my 2cents. Regarding sister chapters. Honestly, the first I heard of this was talking with Pharos. I think it's great that chapters are friendly to each other and share ideas etc. but I'm yet to see what kind of special relationship could be made. We're hard pressed (so far) to put into effect plans for ourselves - so doing anything special for other chapters will be even more difficult. We should, of course, endeavour to help when asked but I don't know what kind of special arrangement we could possibly put in place in relation to another chapter. I'm yet to be convinced about the concept of a sister chapter outside of close neighbouring countries (e.g. Norway/Sweden, Belguim/Netherlands) where they can meetup easily... With peace and love and wiki-ness, -Liam On 09/11/2008, at 5:52 PM, private musings wrote: ...or to put it another way - thanks heaps for letting us know about this endeavor, pharos :-) - Liam (User:Witty Lama), and Brianna (User:Pfctdayelise) are also (actually much better, to be honest!) connected with the museum folks, though I'm popping back in to see them in a couple of weeks, so will definitely sing the praises of this project, and pick their brains to find out where they're at with it :-) I'm sure we'll try and run with the idea :-) Sibling relationships aren't always smooth, I guess - but I'd hope we could generally aim for a friendly welcoming tone where poss. - and certainly in dealings with other WMF chapters by the way - I love the idea of 'Chapter Twinning' - and would like to suggest to the committee that we look at formalising our relationship to NYC as such - there are heaps of benefits as I see it (happy to chat further) - what do others think? cheers, Peter PM. ___ Wikimediaau-l mailing list Wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia Loves Art! photo contest at the Powerhouse Museum
Pharos, As I have said to you when you wrote to me privately; said again when you cc'd others, and will say again now on-list: a) The intended project with the Powerhouse Museum will be at approximately the same time as the loves art project; b) It encompasses and goes far beyond the scope of the loves art project c) It gains access to professional photography from their side (not just ourselves) d) It is supported by many at the museum but still requires official approval, therefore active discussion and explanation of what WM-Au is all about is ongoing. As such, we are attempting to participate in loves art through the powerhouse in all but name. The aim of both projects is to improve the content on Wikimedia projects and we are all working towards that end in our own ways. -Liam, user:witty lama On 1/5/09, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, It has come to my attention that Liam and you folks have decided not to pursue this project. I think this would be a mistake. So, I thought I would write you folks and everyone at Wikimedia AU this e-mail so we can start a broader conversation. I understand you folks were interested in doing another project with Powerhouse, which is great, but I don't see why that would preclude joining us in this project as well. The important thing to understand is that this is a pre-wrapped project, where the model has already been developed and accepted by several different museums around the world, and getting it going in Sydney would require minimal work on your part. Since this is a project that has some establishment cred with the other museums, it could even be a great way to get your foot in the door for future, and hopefully more ambitious, activities. I know Liam expressed concern about having to schedule something for a particular day. It should be clear that this event is not on one day; it's run during the whole month of February, but the museums can choose to have a public event on any particular day they might like. You should know that we currently have four museums that are part of this project, in New York City, London, Los Angeles and Indianapolis, and we're working on Wikimedian teams in each. On the chapters front, in addition to Wikimedia New York City (which if we're lucky might become official by event time), we're also working closely with Wikimedia UK, and their Secretary Andrew Turvey. Jay Walsh has commented to me that this is really the first inter-chapter project of this type, and I hope that Wikimedia AU can reconsider and join our little effort. As I understand it, they're maybe on the fence now at Powerhouse with WLA, and a simple word from you folks could push them into positive territory. Thanks for your consideration, Pharos 2008/11/9 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: Regarding powerhouse museum: I think they are the best place to start if we try and do this kind of thing (which I think would be great) because the PHM gets web 2.0 - they don't necessarily succeed at it (vis - their attempt at QR codes described here: http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/dmsblog/index.php/2008/10/23/some-qr-code-clarifications/ ) but they are involved more than any other institution in australia that I know of. Thank their web services manager Seb Chan for that - which is why I would really like him to come to Wiki-Wednesday. He has been involved peripherally with the Dictionary of Sydney too which is where I first met him. I have a feeling I've said this before but I can't remember so I'll say it anyway (apologies if I repeat myself). I would think that the PHM would be a good place to start if we wanted to try a backstage tour for WM-au. That is, they show us around somewhere normally not accessible and we, in return, spend time with them improving articles of their choice (and teaching them how to do it themselves too). I think that if this is successful with the PHM we should approach the National Trust... my 2cents. Regarding sister chapters. Honestly, the first I heard of this was talking with Pharos. I think it's great that chapters are friendly to each other and share ideas etc. but I'm yet to see what kind of special relationship could be made. We're hard pressed (so far) to put into effect plans for ourselves - so doing anything special for other chapters will be even more difficult. We should, of course, endeavour to help when asked but I don't know what kind of special arrangement we could possibly put in place in relation to another chapter. I'm yet to be convinced about the concept of a sister chapter outside of close neighbouring countries (e.g. Norway/Sweden, Belguim/Netherlands) where they can meetup easily... With peace and love and wiki-ness, -Liam On 09/11/2008, at 5:52 PM, private musings wrote: ...or to put it another way - thanks heaps for letting us know about this endeavor, pharos :-) -
Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia Loves Art! photo contest at the Powerhouse Museum
I don't really know the details of what people have decided to do or not to do so I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone but myself. However, a general problem we have is that Australia is geographically a very large country, nearly as large as mainland USA but a very small population, somewhere in the order of 21 million people. Thus we are a small group of people very spread out geographically. I do not feel it would be appropriate for WMA to press the Sydneysiders to take on any project if they have decided against it as they will be the ones who have to follow through with it. It may be a mistake, as you say, I'm not sure how or why, but I think that it is entirely up to the Sydneysiders rather than the chapter or members in other states/countries who won't be involved. You said, I hope that Wikimedia AU can reconsider and join our little effort. The chapter isn't going to overrule the local members and force them to participate in an event if they have decided to do something else instead, so I think you will have to resolve this with those local members. -Sarah On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.comwrote: Hi folks, It has come to my attention that Liam and you folks have decided not to pursue this project. I think this would be a mistake. So, I thought I would write you folks and everyone at Wikimedia AU this e-mail so we can start a broader conversation. I understand you folks were interested in doing another project with Powerhouse, which is great, but I don't see why that would preclude joining us in this project as well. The important thing to understand is that this is a pre-wrapped project, where the model has already been developed and accepted by several different museums around the world, and getting it going in Sydney would require minimal work on your part. Since this is a project that has some establishment cred with the other museums, it could even be a great way to get your foot in the door for future, and hopefully more ambitious, activities. I know Liam expressed concern about having to schedule something for a particular day. It should be clear that this event is not on one day; it's run during the whole month of February, but the museums can choose to have a public event on any particular day they might like. You should know that we currently have four museums that are part of this project, in New York City, London, Los Angeles and Indianapolis, and we're working on Wikimedian teams in each. On the chapters front, in addition to Wikimedia New York City (which if we're lucky might become official by event time), we're also working closely with Wikimedia UK, and their Secretary Andrew Turvey. Jay Walsh has commented to me that this is really the first inter-chapter project of this type, and I hope that Wikimedia AU can reconsider and join our little effort. As I understand it, they're maybe on the fence now at Powerhouse with WLA, and a simple word from you folks could push them into positive territory. Thanks for your consideration, Pharos 2008/11/9 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: Regarding powerhouse museum: I think they are the best place to start if we try and do this kind of thing (which I think would be great) because the PHM gets web 2.0 - they don't necessarily succeed at it (vis - their attempt at QR codes described here: http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/dmsblog/index.php/2008/10/23/some-qr-code-clarifications/ ) but they are involved more than any other institution in australia that I know of. Thank their web services manager Seb Chan for that - which is why I would really like him to come to Wiki-Wednesday. He has been involved peripherally with the Dictionary of Sydney too which is where I first met him. I have a feeling I've said this before but I can't remember so I'll say it anyway (apologies if I repeat myself). I would think that the PHM would be a good place to start if we wanted to try a backstage tour for WM-au. That is, they show us around somewhere normally not accessible and we, in return, spend time with them improving articles of their choice (and teaching them how to do it themselves too). I think that if this is successful with the PHM we should approach the National Trust... my 2cents. Regarding sister chapters. Honestly, the first I heard of this was talking with Pharos. I think it's great that chapters are friendly to each other and share ideas etc. but I'm yet to see what kind of special relationship could be made. We're hard pressed (so far) to put into effect plans for ourselves - so doing anything special for other chapters will be even more difficult. We should, of course, endeavour to help when asked but I don't know what kind of special arrangement we could possibly put in place in relation to another chapter. I'm yet to be convinced about the concept of a sister chapter outside of close neighbouring
