Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Zootober

2010-10-07 Thread YellowMonkey
Well,

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/Tasmanian_Devil/archive1

Endangered in more ways than one

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fauna_of_Australia
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Green_Tree_Frog
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emu

All needing work, particularly FoA, before they get shot at FAR

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Peter Halasz qub...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi John,

 I like the idea of having an article about the Brown Mountain crayfish
 before it's even formally described  :)

 The transcript of the Environment East Gippsland v VicForests court
 case is online, and it includes testimony and a survey/report from Rob
 McCormack (Day 8), who's one of the discoverers of the crayfish.
 Originally it was thought to be an Orbost spiny crayfish, but
 VicForests disagreed, saying you couldn't tell from the photo and it
 was probably a more common species. So the environmentalists had
 another look and it turned out to be an undiscovered species. The
 outcome of the case is that VicForests has been found to be failing to
 do animal surveys before logging (largely they have done none at all),
 and must now show that they are doing so, as required by our laws.

 http://www.eastgippsland.net.au/?q=campaigns/brown_mountain/court_documents

 McCormack talked about the process of having it described too, so
 that's in the transcript if you'd like a read. (I should look over it
 again). No idea which scientific journal it will be published in or
 how it will be licensed.

 And I believe this page shows a photo of the crayfish, though it's
 labeled Endangered Orbost Spiny Cray:
 http://www.greenlivingpedia.org/Brown_Mountain_old_growth_forest

 Peter.

 On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
  Thanks for raising some more possibilities Peter.
 
  [[VicForests]] doesn't exist, and is only mentioned four times on
  English Wikipedia.  The court case also has enough coverage in RS to
  be notable in its own right; it does sound like a landmark decision.
 
 http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/environmentalists-hail-court-win-20100811-11zgj.html
 
 http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/prosecution-withdrawn-20100812-121iz.html
 
  Do we know where the description of the Brown Mountain crayfish is
  going to be published?  A google search for that name turns up only
  one page: [[User:Pengo/missing]]! ;-)
  Can we talk to the discoverer?  It would be lovely if it was published
  in a CC journal, like [[w:ZooKeys]], which has a partnership with EOL
  and Wikispecies, so the images can be used on Wikipedia immediately.
  Otherwise we could ask the discoverer to consider releasing some
  images under a CC license.
 
  I'm footloose in Brisbane this week, with two nephews to entertain.
  If anyone wants some photos of animals in a zoo somewhere in SE Qld,
  let me know and I should be able to grab them and upload them in
  October.
 
  btw, we don't have a Wikipedia nav template for Zoos; the closest is
  [[List_of_zoos#Australia]].  That is another task for October ;-)
 
  --
  John Vandenberg
 
  On 9/20/10, Peter Halasz qub...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,
 
  A recent supreme court case was fought around a number of endangered
  species in Victoria. I don't know how many of them have specimens in
  zoos, but I was hoping to find some time to try to find out and get
  some shots and video. The two main charismatic ones are:
 
   - the spot-tailed quoll (aka tiger quoll)
   - the long-footed potoroo
 
  Other important species that played roles in the recent court case
  (Environment East Gippsland v VicForests) are: giant burrowing frog,
  large brown tree frog (Litoria littlejohni), Sooty Owl, Powerful Owl,
  Greater Glider, Square-tailed kite, Orbost spiny crayfish, Brown
  Mountain crayfish (newly discovered, and still in the process of being
  described...this last one definitely won't be at zoos),
 
  Other topics of interest include: hollow bearing trees, as many of our
  endangered species rely on tree hollows either for shelter or for prey
  (or both). I've started [[tree hollow]], but it could use a boost; and
  Australia's logging industry which is both a major threat to
  endangered species and also may play a role in conservation as they
  move to plantation-based production: e.g. the major deal in Tasmania
  happening right now, which may see the end of native forest logging in
  Tasmania (also home to Tiger Quolls), and there's some talk of a
  similar deal in Victoria.
 
  The tiger quoll in particular could use some new images, and can
  probably be found at zoos? It's mainland Australia's largest carnivore
  marsupial and is the mainland population is particularly endangered.
 
  Chris Belcher has a good write up about them and their current status
 here:
 
 
 http://eastgippsland.net.au/files/Spot-tailed_quoll_Belcher_December_2009.pdf
 
  I think we should be capable of taking some 

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Zootober

2010-10-07 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 btw, we don't have a Wikipedia nav template for Zoos; the closest is
 [[List_of_zoos#Australia]].  That is another task for October ;-)

A new article with a lot of red links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_zoos_in_Australia

And here is another:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatened_fauna_of_Australia

I've created a page on meta where we can put our ideas, record our
achievements, etc.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/Zootober_2010

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Zootober

2010-09-20 Thread Peter Halasz
Hi John,

I like the idea of having an article about the Brown Mountain crayfish
before it's even formally described  :)

The transcript of the Environment East Gippsland v VicForests court
case is online, and it includes testimony and a survey/report from Rob
McCormack (Day 8), who's one of the discoverers of the crayfish.
Originally it was thought to be an Orbost spiny crayfish, but
VicForests disagreed, saying you couldn't tell from the photo and it
was probably a more common species. So the environmentalists had
another look and it turned out to be an undiscovered species. The
outcome of the case is that VicForests has been found to be failing to
do animal surveys before logging (largely they have done none at all),
and must now show that they are doing so, as required by our laws.

http://www.eastgippsland.net.au/?q=campaigns/brown_mountain/court_documents

McCormack talked about the process of having it described too, so
that's in the transcript if you'd like a read. (I should look over it
again). No idea which scientific journal it will be published in or
how it will be licensed.

And I believe this page shows a photo of the crayfish, though it's
labeled Endangered Orbost Spiny Cray:
http://www.greenlivingpedia.org/Brown_Mountain_old_growth_forest

Peter.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:42 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for raising some more possibilities Peter.

 [[VicForests]] doesn't exist, and is only mentioned four times on
 English Wikipedia.  The court case also has enough coverage in RS to
 be notable in its own right; it does sound like a landmark decision.
 http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/environmentalists-hail-court-win-20100811-11zgj.html
 http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/prosecution-withdrawn-20100812-121iz.html

 Do we know where the description of the Brown Mountain crayfish is
 going to be published?  A google search for that name turns up only
 one page: [[User:Pengo/missing]]! ;-)
 Can we talk to the discoverer?  It would be lovely if it was published
 in a CC journal, like [[w:ZooKeys]], which has a partnership with EOL
 and Wikispecies, so the images can be used on Wikipedia immediately.
 Otherwise we could ask the discoverer to consider releasing some
 images under a CC license.

 I'm footloose in Brisbane this week, with two nephews to entertain.
 If anyone wants some photos of animals in a zoo somewhere in SE Qld,
 let me know and I should be able to grab them and upload them in
 October.

 btw, we don't have a Wikipedia nav template for Zoos; the closest is
 [[List_of_zoos#Australia]].  That is another task for October ;-)

 --
 John Vandenberg

 On 9/20/10, Peter Halasz qub...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 A recent supreme court case was fought around a number of endangered
 species in Victoria. I don't know how many of them have specimens in
 zoos, but I was hoping to find some time to try to find out and get
 some shots and video. The two main charismatic ones are:

  - the spot-tailed quoll (aka tiger quoll)
  - the long-footed potoroo

 Other important species that played roles in the recent court case
 (Environment East Gippsland v VicForests) are: giant burrowing frog,
 large brown tree frog (Litoria littlejohni), Sooty Owl, Powerful Owl,
 Greater Glider, Square-tailed kite, Orbost spiny crayfish, Brown
 Mountain crayfish (newly discovered, and still in the process of being
 described...this last one definitely won't be at zoos),

 Other topics of interest include: hollow bearing trees, as many of our
 endangered species rely on tree hollows either for shelter or for prey
 (or both). I've started [[tree hollow]], but it could use a boost; and
 Australia's logging industry which is both a major threat to
 endangered species and also may play a role in conservation as they
 move to plantation-based production: e.g. the major deal in Tasmania
 happening right now, which may see the end of native forest logging in
 Tasmania (also home to Tiger Quolls), and there's some talk of a
 similar deal in Victoria.

 The tiger quoll in particular could use some new images, and can
 probably be found at zoos? It's mainland Australia's largest carnivore
 marsupial and is the mainland population is particularly endangered.

 Chris Belcher has a good write up about them and their current status here:

 http://eastgippsland.net.au/files/Spot-tailed_quoll_Belcher_December_2009.pdf

 I think we should be capable of taking some points out of the document
 for Wikipedia and getting some new shots of quolls, and improving some
 of the other articles. If anyone wants to organise a trip to any of
 Melbourne's zoos, I'm in.

 Also, despite being the photographer for the Leadbeater's Possum
 single pic on Wikipedia, I'd really love to see it replaced with a
 photo of one which wasn't stuffed. Leadbeater's Possum is Victoria's
 faunal emblem (and is highly endangered).

 Peter Halasz
 User:Pengo

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Zootober

2010-09-19 Thread Liam Wyatt
Nice one :-) 
Another possibility is asking a zoo to pick an animal or species that they're 
actively invlolved in conservation work with - to improve biological articles 
about thee endangered species (for which the zoo should have good references 
for). 

I know that Melbourne Zoo has a recently born elephant cub [or is 'calf' the 
correct term?] that might be a good  reason to focus on that species.

-Liam

On 20/09/2010, at 12:51, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 October is Zootober.
 
 http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/articles/zoo/
 
 Is anyone involved in an Australian zoo?  If so, how can we help?
 
 Wikimedians could go to Australian zoos armed with camera's, and we
 could create a Commons page including our images collected in October.
 
 Or we could improve the Wikipedia articles about Australian zoos...
 
 Any other ideas?
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Zootober

2010-09-19 Thread John Vandenberg
On 9/20/10, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote:
 ps. is the small grants program still in effect?

I presume so; if not, please assume that any sensible project will be
considered by the committee, via this grant scheme or another
approach.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Zootober

2010-09-19 Thread John Vandenberg
On 9/20/10, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote:
 were I to contact a vague associate at Taronga and perhaps discuss the
 possibility of them hosting a wiki meetup and perhaps have a small
 'get to know each other' type discussion / session a la GLAM - could I
 be so bold as to mention WMAU as part of the proposal? I'd like to say
 something like 'we from Wikimedia Australia would like to organise
 something like this' - I'm hoping that my role as simply a member
 sufficiently empowers me to take such initiatives?

 Roll over GLAM, WIZOO! here we come.

I doubt we could achieve anything even vaguely resembling GLAM in October.

A Backstage Pass to any zoo would be great, and is more achievable.

http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Backstage_pass

Feel free to get the ball rolling with Toronga Zoo.

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