Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote:

 Arjuna makes a good point on language support. As for the data costs,
 don't some providers (I know MTS does) provide access to Wikipedia for
 free?


Have you used MTS free Wikipedia? I overheard they are falsely advertising
but actually it costs something. (like only en.wiki is free and data charges
apply for images  on the article from commons). I am not very sure on this,
anyone who uses MTS can confirm. But i have to disagree with Arjuna and feel
data charges have come down significantly over a period of time now though
may still not be affordable to a common man on the street when compared to
the dead low voice tariff. More and more alternate ways of
consuming Wikipedia on mobile needs to be developed. I particularly find
the Wikipedia layer on Google maps for mobile useful while exploring unknown
territories.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
I agree with Srikanth on this issue.
I have been using Wikipedia on my phone for over a year and a half, and have
even edited several articles from my phone.

On 26 October 2010 11:30, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote:

 Arjuna makes a good point on language support. As for the data costs,
 don't some providers (I know MTS does) provide access to Wikipedia for
 free?


 Have you used MTS free Wikipedia? I overheard they are falsely advertising
 but actually it costs something. (like only en.wiki is free and data charges
 apply for images  on the article from commons). I am not very sure on this,
 anyone who uses MTS can confirm. But i have to disagree with Arjuna and feel
 data charges have come down significantly over a period of time now though
 may still not be affordable to a common man on the street when compared to
 the dead low voice tariff. More and more alternate ways of
 consuming Wikipedia on mobile needs to be developed. I particularly find
 the Wikipedia layer on Google maps for mobile useful while exploring unknown
 territories.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Ramesh N G
Data charges definitely is coming down and will be coming down more with the
3G war in India.

The support for other languages and unicode should be improved in the
mobiles.

I have tried ml wikipedia in the Nokia E series with MiniOpera browser. It
was really a bad experience for me. The fonts are not properly displaying.
Hope to see more improvements especially on the unicode support and fonts in
the mobile browsers.

regards
Ramesh ng




On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Srikanth on this issue.
 I have been using Wikipedia on my phone for over a year and a half, and
 have even edited several articles from my phone.

 On 26 October 2010 11:30, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote:

 Arjuna makes a good point on language support. As for the data costs,
 don't some providers (I know MTS does) provide access to Wikipedia for
 free?


 Have you used MTS free Wikipedia? I overheard they are falsely advertising
 but actually it costs something. (like only en.wiki is free and data charges
 apply for images  on the article from commons). I am not very sure on this,
 anyone who uses MTS can confirm. But i have to disagree with Arjuna and feel
 data charges have come down significantly over a period of time now though
 may still not be affordable to a common man on the street when compared to
 the dead low voice tariff. More and more alternate ways of
 consuming Wikipedia on mobile needs to be developed. I particularly find
 the Wikipedia layer on Google maps for mobile useful while exploring unknown
 territories.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Gautam John
On 26 October 2010 11:30, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote:

 Have you used MTS free Wikipedia?

I have to confess, I have not. Only going by the ads. The other thing
is lack of Unicode support. Andriod doesn't support Unicode, IIRC.

Thank you.

Best,

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
I doubt very much that Android does not support Unicode. It may not have the
fonts that you need.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 26 October 2010 15:57, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote:

 On 26 October 2010 11:30, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote:

  Have you used MTS free Wikipedia?

 I have to confess, I have not. Only going by the ads. The other thing
 is lack of Unicode support. Andriod doesn't support Unicode, IIRC.

 Thank you.

 Best,

 Gautam
 
 http://social.prathambooks.org/

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Gautam John
On 26 October 2010 19:32, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:

 I doubt very much that Android does not support Unicode. It may not have the
 fonts that you need.

Very possible I might be wrong but I did find this:

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=5925

Thank you.

Best,

Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi,
In this thread you find your answer:
**
Comment 4 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=5925#c4 by
petrosyan http://code.google.com/u/petrosyan/, Jan 08, 2010

Android 1.5 supports embedded CSS fonts, and you can use any unicode
font you want to.

For a demo of embedded CSS fonts see
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?

id=4230#c3

They removed this feature from Android 2.0 and this has been filed as
a bug issue

4448 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4448.

**
So Android uses Unicode fonts, fonts may not be available.. Just complain
LOUDLY and PUBLICLY and together that not supporting fonts for Indic
languages is not acceptable in India (and outside of India grin ).
Thanks,
   GerardM

On 26 October 2010 16:05, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote:

 On 26 October 2010 19:32, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I doubt very much that Android does not support Unicode. It may not have
 the
  fonts that you need.

 Very possible I might be wrong but I did find this:

 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=5925

 Thank you.

 Best,

 Gautam
 
 http://social.prathambooks.org/

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Gautam John
On 26 October 2010 19:44, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:

 So Android uses Unicode fonts, fonts may not be available.. Just complain
 LOUDLY and PUBLICLY and together that not supporting fonts for Indic
 languages is not acceptable in India (and outside of India grin ).
 Thanks,

=) Indeed!


Thank you.

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Gautam

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote:

 So Android uses Unicode fonts, fonts may not be available.. Just complain
 LOUDLY and PUBLICLY and together that not supporting fonts for Indic
 languages is not acceptable in India (and outside of India grin ).


Android 1.5 did not support Indic rendering at all. AFAIK, this problem
continued until 2.0.

Android 2.1 does not support web fonts and Indic fonts are not shipped with
any device I know of.

Android 2.2 does support web fonts and indic rendering, but doesn't ship
with fonts either. Here's a quick test page for anyone who wants to check
from their phone:
http://experimenting.in/css3/webfonts/hindifontsdemo/devanagarifonts.htm
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread BalaSundaraRaman
Ramesh,

Could you try http://ml.m.wikipedia.org/ from your phone? (Of course, it'll 
still need the fonts.)
To my knowledge, Malayalam Wikipedia is the only Indian Wikipedia to have a 
mobile interface (I could be wrong).
For Tamil Wikipedia, only the final steps are pending.

- Sundar
 That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for 
the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted.
- George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture



From: Ramesh N G rames...@gmail.com
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tue, October 26, 2010 6:30:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing  reading of Wikipedia

Data charges definitely is coming down and will be coming down more with the 
3G 
war in India. 


The support for other languages and unicode should be improved in the mobiles. 

I have tried ml wikipedia in the Nokia E series with MiniOpera browser. It was 
really a bad experience for me. The fonts are not properly displaying. Hope to 
see more improvements especially on the unicode support and fonts in the 
mobile 
browsers. 


regards
Ramesh ng





On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I agree with Srikanth on this issue.
I have been using Wikipedia on my phone for over a year and a half, and have 
even edited several articles from my phone.


On 26 October 2010 11:30, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote:

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote:

Arjuna makes a good point on language support. As for the data costs,
don't some providers (I know MTS does) provide access to Wikipedia for
free?



Have you used MTS free Wikipedia? I overheard they are falsely advertising 
but 
actually it costs something. (like only en.wiki is free and data charges 
apply 
for images  on the article from commons). I am not very sure on this, anyone 
who 
uses MTS can confirm. But i have to disagree with Arjuna and feel data 
charges 
have come down significantly over a period of time now though may still not 
be 
affordable to a common man on the street when compared to the dead low voice 
tariff. More and more alternate ways of consuming Wikipedia on mobile needs 
to 
be developed. I particularly find the Wikipedia layer on Google maps for 
mobile 
useful while exploring unknown territories.



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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Shiju Alex
Rendering of Malayalam script is very bad. Same might be the case with most
of the other Indian scripts. (Devanagari might have reasonable support) So
this site is of not much use to Malayalam as of now, even though we are
regularly updating it.

We cannot expect much as of now since the majority of the software solutions
focuses only on Latin script. Hope situation will improve as the
contribution from the developers working in Indic language computing
increases.


Shiju Alex

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Ramesh,

 Could you try http://ml.m.wikipedia.org/ from your phone? (Of course,
 it'll still need the fonts.)
 To my knowledge, Malayalam Wikipedia is the only Indian Wikipedia to have a
 mobile interface (I could be wrong).
 For Tamil Wikipedia, only the final steps are pending.

 - Sundar

 That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
 for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted.
 - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture


 *From:* Ramesh N G rames...@gmail.com

 *To:* wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 *Sent:* Tue, October 26, 2010 6:30:59 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing  reading of Wikipedia

 Data charges definitely is coming down and will be coming down more with
 the 3G war in India.

 The support for other languages and unicode should be improved in the
 mobiles.

 I have tried ml wikipedia in the Nokia E series with MiniOpera browser. It
 was really a bad experience for me. The fonts are not properly displaying.
 Hope to see more improvements especially on the unicode support and fonts in
 the mobile browsers.

 regards
 Ramesh ng




 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Srikanth on this issue.
 I have been using Wikipedia on my phone for over a year and a half, and
 have even edited several articles from my phone.

 On 26 October 2010 11:30, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote:

 Arjuna makes a good point on language support. As for the data costs,
 don't some providers (I know MTS does) provide access to Wikipedia for
 free?


 Have you used MTS free Wikipedia? I overheard they are falsely
 advertising but actually it costs something. (like only en.wiki is free and
 data charges apply for images  on the article from commons). I am not very
 sure on this, anyone who uses MTS can confirm. But i have to disagree with
 Arjuna and feel data charges have come down significantly over a period of
 time now though may still not be affordable to a common man on the street
 when compared to the dead low voice tariff. More and more alternate ways of
 consuming Wikipedia on mobile needs to be developed. I particularly find
 the Wikipedia layer on Google maps for mobile useful while exploring unknown
 territories.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Ramesh N G
Could you try http://ml.m.wikipedia.org/ from your phone?

I have tried this also. It has the similar issue of the fonts. The chillus
of malayalam is another issue while displaying.
I could read it, but as far as the usability, it is of no use.

regards



On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote:

   Ramesh,

 Could you try http://ml.m.wikipedia.org/ from your phone? (Of course,
 it'll still need the fonts.)
 To my knowledge, Malayalam Wikipedia is the only Indian Wikipedia to have a
 mobile interface (I could be wrong).
 For Tamil Wikipedia, only the final steps are pending.

 - Sundar

 That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
 for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted.
 - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture


 *From:* Ramesh N G rames...@gmail.com
 *To:* wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 *Sent:* Tue, October 26, 2010 6:30:59 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing  reading of Wikipedia

 Data charges definitely is coming down and will be coming down more with
 the 3G war in India.

 The support for other languages and unicode should be improved in the
 mobiles.

 I have tried ml wikipedia in the Nokia E series with MiniOpera browser. It
 was really a bad experience for me. The fonts are not properly displaying.
 Hope to see more improvements especially on the unicode support and fonts in
 the mobile browsers.

 regards
 Ramesh ng




 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Srikanth on this issue.
 I have been using Wikipedia on my phone for over a year and a half, and
 have even edited several articles from my phone.

   On 26 October 2010 11:30, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.comwrote:

   On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote:

 Arjuna makes a good point on language support. As for the data costs,
 don't some providers (I know MTS does) provide access to Wikipedia for
 free?


 Have you used MTS free Wikipedia? I overheard they are falsely
 advertising but actually it costs something. (like only en.wiki is free and
 data charges apply for images  on the article from commons). I am not very
 sure on this, anyone who uses MTS can confirm. But i have to disagree with
 Arjuna and feel data charges have come down significantly over a period of
 time now though may still not be affordable to a common man on the street
 when compared to the dead low voice tariff. More and more alternate ways of
 consuming Wikipedia on mobile needs to be developed. I particularly find
 the Wikipedia layer on Google maps for mobile useful while exploring unknown
 territories.


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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread praveenp
On Tuesday 26 October 2010 10:09 PM, BalaSundaraRaman wrote:
 I'm able to read Tamil text on Opera Mini browser on my Nokia N72 (with some
 difficulty).
 From: Shiju Alexshijualexonl...@gmail.com

 Rendering of Malayalam script is very bad. Same might be the case with most 
 of
 the other Indian scripts. (Devanagari might have reasonable support) So this
 site is of not much use to Malayalam as of now, even though we are regularly
 updating it.
  
Atleast for some phones its not. I've a Nokia 2700 classic phone, and 
its Malayalam Rendering is good. With complex text rendered Opera mini, 
reading Malayalam websites are also not a problem. I remember once 
Jyothis confirmed that IOS 4 rendering for Malayalam is also good.

I bought my Nokia 2700 phone from Kerala. I think its OS is patched for 
south Indian languages' better display (It has built in support for 
Malayalam, Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Hindi and English). Only problem with 
that phone I found is - it has no unicode 5.1 support.

It is possible to type in Malayalam from that phone, but from my 
perspective it is not easy to type Malayalam from that mobile even with 
its good Malayalam prediction database.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing reading of Wikipedia

2010-10-26 Thread Anoop
I have tried Malayalam Wikipedia on my android 2.1 mobile. Rendering is very
poor :( . Instead of letters it just shows the squares. But on Opera browser
you can see the letters (except unicode 5.1 chillu lettes (atomic chillu
letters)) by doing the hack mentioned on this blog
posthttp://anoopnarayanan.wordpress.com/2010/06/13/malayalam-on-android-mobiles/.
AFAIK only opera browser has the ability to render Indic scripts on
mobiles.


Never tried to edit Malayalam wikipedia on mobiles!


Thanks
Anoop

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:49 PM, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Ramesh,

 Could you try http://ml.m.wikipedia.org/ from your phone? (Of course,
 it'll still need the fonts.)
 To my knowledge, Malayalam Wikipedia is the only Indian Wikipedia to have a
 mobile interface (I could be wrong).
 For Tamil Wikipedia, only the final steps are pending.

 - Sundar

 That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium
 for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted.
 - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture


 *From:* Ramesh N G rames...@gmail.com
 *To:* wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 *Sent:* Tue, October 26, 2010 6:30:59 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] mobile editing  reading of Wikipedia

 Data charges definitely is coming down and will be coming down more with
 the 3G war in India.

 The support for other languages and unicode should be improved in the
 mobiles.

 I have tried ml wikipedia in the Nokia E series with MiniOpera browser. It
 was really a bad experience for me. The fonts are not properly displaying.
 Hope to see more improvements especially on the unicode support and fonts in
 the mobile browsers.

 regards
 Ramesh ng




 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
 rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote:

 I agree with Srikanth on this issue.
 I have been using Wikipedia on my phone for over a year and a half, and
 have even edited several articles from my phone.

 On 26 October 2010 11:30, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:34, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote:

 Arjuna makes a good point on language support. As for the data costs,
 don't some providers (I know MTS does) provide access to Wikipedia for
 free?


 Have you used MTS free Wikipedia? I overheard they are falsely
 advertising but actually it costs something. (like only en.wiki is free and
 data charges apply for images  on the article from commons). I am not very
 sure on this, anyone who uses MTS can confirm. But i have to disagree with
 Arjuna and feel data charges have come down significantly over a period of
 time now though may still not be affordable to a common man on the street
 when compared to the dead low voice tariff. More and more alternate ways of
 consuming Wikipedia on mobile needs to be developed. I particularly find
 the Wikipedia layer on Google maps for mobile useful while exploring unknown
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