Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
Hoi, There is no need to have articles first.. We have added quite a number of members of the National Assemblee of South Africa that do not have any mention in any wikipedia but a red link. With items in Wikidata and associated labels all these people can be found in any Wiki that has WD-search enabled. Like in India, South Africa has many official languages and languages that are both spoken and written. Thanks, GerardM On 15 May 2014 12:29, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Hi rahim, a few pointers as a Wikidata editor. Please wait till the results are out completely. Wait for a while to ensure that atleast one article, in atleast one language is created before creating a data item. Why is this coming under the A2K? Shouldn't it be a community event? On 14 May 2014 20:30, రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ nani1o...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As everyone is aware, Results of general elections are going to be announced on 16th of this month. In this regard, we are planning for a Wikidata labelathon for Indian parliamentarians who are declared win - constituency wise in these elections. This will involve creating label for each parliamentarian and a description that says which constituency, state and party that politician is from. This will ensure that each language has at least a single line about each of the elected public representatives. Those who are interested, please fill in your names in the event page here : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Indian_Parliamentarian_Label-a-thon This project would run for 2 month period, and ensure that this labeling happens in all Indian languages. For any other help, please feel free to contact. -- With thanks regards *Rahimanuddin Shaik* నాని [image: File:Wikimedia India logo.svg] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ reachout ఒక విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి, ఎక్కడయితే ప్రతి మనిషి ఒక సంపూర్ణ విజ్ఞానభాండారాన్ని అందరితో పంచుకోగలడో, ఆ విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి. *అటువంటి విశ్వాన్ని నెలకొల్పడమే మా సంకల్పం.* తెలుగు వికీపీడియా : http://te.wikipedia.org A new address for ebooks : http://kinige.com *తెలుగువారికి సాంకేతిక సహాయం - http://techsetu.com http://techsetu.com/* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan, What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce back. Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
Hi Gerard, Thank you. I thought Srikanth R already knew that. Srikanth, my apologies. all this time, I was assuming you knew how Wikidata and Wikidata search results work in Indic Wikipedias. If not, please check this blog post : http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.in/2014/04/wikipedia-search-for-in-telugu.html Please do any discussions on talk page only. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, There is no need to have articles first.. We have added quite a number of members of the National Assemblee of South Africa that do not have any mention in any wikipedia but a red link. With items in Wikidata and associated labels all these people can be found in any Wiki that has WD-search enabled. Like in India, South Africa has many official languages and languages that are both spoken and written. Thanks, GerardM On 15 May 2014 12:29, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Hi rahim, a few pointers as a Wikidata editor. Please wait till the results are out completely. Wait for a while to ensure that atleast one article, in atleast one language is created before creating a data item. Why is this coming under the A2K? Shouldn't it be a community event? On 14 May 2014 20:30, రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ nani1o...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As everyone is aware, Results of general elections are going to be announced on 16th of this month. In this regard, we are planning for a Wikidata labelathon for Indian parliamentarians who are declared win - constituency wise in these elections. This will involve creating label for each parliamentarian and a description that says which constituency, state and party that politician is from. This will ensure that each language has at least a single line about each of the elected public representatives. Those who are interested, please fill in your names in the event page here : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Indian_Parliamentarian_Label-a-thon This project would run for 2 month period, and ensure that this labeling happens in all Indian languages. For any other help, please feel free to contact. -- With thanks regards *Rahimanuddin Shaik* నాని [image: File:Wikimedia India logo.svg] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ reachout ఒక విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి, ఎక్కడయితే ప్రతి మనిషి ఒక సంపూర్ణ విజ్ఞానభాండారాన్ని అందరితో పంచుకోగలడో, ఆ విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి. *అటువంటి విశ్వాన్ని నెలకొల్పడమే మా సంకల్పం.* తెలుగు వికీపీడియా : http://te.wikipedia.org A new address for ebooks : http://kinige.com *తెలుగువారికి సాంకేతిక సహాయం - http://techsetu.com http://techsetu.com/* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan, What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce back. Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- With thanks regards *Rahimanuddin Shaik* నాని [image: File:Wikimedia India logo.svg] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ reachout ఒక విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి, ఎక్కడయితే ప్రతి మనిషి ఒక సంపూర్ణ విజ్ఞానభాండారాన్ని అందరితో పంచుకోగలడో, ఆ విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి. *అటువంటి విశ్వాన్ని నెలకొల్పడమే మా సంకల్పం.* తెలుగు వికీపీడియా : http://te.wikipedia.org A new address for ebooks : http://kinige.com *తెలుగువారికి సాంకేతిక సహాయం - http://techsetu.com http://techsetu.com/* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Legal threat for Wikimedia community volunteers in India getting WMF grants
I have already said myself that Vishnu misunderstood my words as a threat when it was not. Mistaking my words he had said, what he had to say. And later he had apologised in the same thread. That's why I said he has very poor understanding skills. And also i have said already 'there is no point accusing him, writing the email on the first place was a mistake by me'. If that was not clear enough, let me say again. I'm dropping the allegation against Vishnu. Thanks Ravi. Ansuman On 16 May 2014 18:52, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I requested Ansuman to share his email conversation with Vishnu. He gave only a very brief snippet. From what was shared with me, it is impossible to form a clear opinion about the conversation. So the benefit of doubt should go to Vishnu. The conversation goes like this: Ansuman states that he will have to escalate some issue (which cannot be known unless the full conversation is shared) to the attention of WMF staff. Vishnu views this as a potential threat, says this is against Wikipedia's Five pillars and says if such moves are made in future this can be held against Ansuman in a public platform (the nature of this platform is unclear. It could be even a open discussion in mailing list of META) It is my personal judgment that neither of them have made any real threats of serious nature even though either party is bound to feel so in the heat of the conversation. So, I request Ansuman to drop his allegation against Vishnu. Doing so will only boost the integrity of the community and let us focus on real issues. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
I'm too stupid to know all that. Did you know that empty data items get deleted? On 17 May 2014 12:16, రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ nani1o...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gerard, Thank you. I thought Srikanth R already knew that. Srikanth, my apologies. all this time, I was assuming you knew how Wikidata and Wikidata search results work in Indic Wikipedias. If not, please check this blog post : http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.in/2014/04/wikipedia-search-for-in-telugu.html Please do any discussions on talk page only. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, There is no need to have articles first.. We have added quite a number of members of the National Assemblee of South Africa that do not have any mention in any wikipedia but a red link. With items in Wikidata and associated labels all these people can be found in any Wiki that has WD-search enabled. Like in India, South Africa has many official languages and languages that are both spoken and written. Thanks, GerardM On 15 May 2014 12:29, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.comwrote: Hi rahim, a few pointers as a Wikidata editor. Please wait till the results are out completely. Wait for a while to ensure that atleast one article, in atleast one language is created before creating a data item. Why is this coming under the A2K? Shouldn't it be a community event? On 14 May 2014 20:30, రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ nani1o...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As everyone is aware, Results of general elections are going to be announced on 16th of this month. In this regard, we are planning for a Wikidata labelathon for Indian parliamentarians who are declared win - constituency wise in these elections. This will involve creating label for each parliamentarian and a description that says which constituency, state and party that politician is from. This will ensure that each language has at least a single line about each of the elected public representatives. Those who are interested, please fill in your names in the event page here : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Indian_Parliamentarian_Label-a-thon This project would run for 2 month period, and ensure that this labeling happens in all Indian languages. For any other help, please feel free to contact. -- With thanks regards *Rahimanuddin Shaik* నాని [image: File:Wikimedia India logo.svg] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ reachout ఒక విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి, ఎక్కడయితే ప్రతి మనిషి ఒక సంపూర్ణ విజ్ఞానభాండారాన్ని అందరితో పంచుకోగలడో, ఆ విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి. *అటువంటి విశ్వాన్ని నెలకొల్పడమే మా సంకల్పం.* తెలుగు వికీపీడియా : http://te.wikipedia.org A new address for ebooks : http://kinige.com *తెలుగువారికి సాంకేతిక సహాయం - http://techsetu.com http://techsetu.com/* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan, What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce back. Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- With thanks regards *Rahimanuddin Shaik* నాని [image: File:Wikimedia India logo.svg] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ reachout ఒక విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి, ఎక్కడయితే ప్రతి మనిషి ఒక సంపూర్ణ విజ్ఞానభాండారాన్ని అందరితో పంచుకోగలడో, ఆ విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి. *అటువంటి విశ్వాన్ని నెలకొల్పడమే మా సంకల్పం.* తెలుగు వికీపీడియా : http://te.wikipedia.org A new address for ebooks : http://kinige.com *తెలుగువారికి సాంకేతిక సహాయం - http://techsetu.com http://techsetu.com/* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan, What goes around, may not necessarily come around, it may simply bounce back. Please sign this petition for Volvo buses in Coimbatore: https://www.change.org/en-IN/petitions/the-transport-minister-tamil-nadu-introduction-of-volvo-city-buses-in-the-city-of-coimbatore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On CIS's grants request from Wikimedia Foundation
Talking about bad precedents, the CIS partnership is itself one such bad precedent which is evident from the fact that WMF won't be repeating this model of partnerships in future. +1+1+1+1000 The only way to gain the trust of the community is to make an exeption and share this contract with the community. If not in public, at least in private communication with other important stakeholders in the community. (Say WMIN and FDC). +1 If WMF is unable to make this exception, then their exception making CIS eligible for FDC through a board resolution can only be seen as a bias. +1 On 17 May 2014 06:39, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Vishnu, //Other than the 2 year Grant Agreement CIS has not signed any other separate MoU with WMF.// I checked with the WMF Grants team if the grant agreement I have signed with them is confidential. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:PEG/Ravidreams_-_Tamil_Wikimedians/TamilWiki_10_years#Is_the_grant_agreement_confidential.3F Their response doesn't hint at legal contracts, confidentiality, bad precedents etc., and instead I get gladly pointed to a sample grant agreement. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Example_project_grant_agreement_for_groups_and_organizations The example grant agreement notes as follows: //This type of grant agreement is used by WMF to make grants to both incorporated nonprofit organizations and nonincorporated groups. Some requirements in the agreement are specific to organizations and other requirements are specific to groups// I assume CIS comes under nonprofit organizations group as defined above. You say that CIS has not signed any other contract besides the 2 year grant agreement but Asaf repeatedly uses the word contract in his explanation at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-November/010603.html //We (i.e. WMF) will not be sharing that agreement, on principle: not because there's anything secret or damning in it, but because we do not want to create a misleading precedent that may set the expectation that all WMF contracts are subject to community review. This isn't, and cannot be, the case. We likewise do not expect Chapters or other partners to publicly share contracts// Given the context that you are a working partner of WMF, then we have to assume that this grant agreement is your contract defining the terms and conditions of your working relationship with WMF. So, please let us not use the misleading term grant agreement for this document you have signed with WMF. Talking about bad precedents, the CIS partnership is itself one such bad precedent which is evident from the fact that WMF won't be repeating this model of partnerships in future. The only way to gain the trust of the community is to make an exeption and share this contract with the community. If not in public, at least in private communication with other important stakeholders in the community. (Say WMIN and FDC). If WMF is unable to make this exception, then their exception making CIS eligible for FDC through a board resolution can only be seen as a bias. It is not the questions you choose to answer that boosts the trust but the questions you choose to ignore and choose to remain silent that reduces the trust. * What are the terms and conditions of your working relationship with WMF? * What is the exit clause? * Were you asked to work on specific programs like Wikipedia education programs which you sell to naive communities as their needs? These are some important questions that are left unanswered. I wouldn't blame CIS. In fact, as you have mentioned in many places, you are way more transparent and responsive than WMF and I genuinely appreciate your effort and patience. It is sad and ironic that WMF chooses to work this way. WMF is noble in their mission of increasing global south participation but they are failing miserably in executing it. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
Hi , On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:17 AM, రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ nani1o...@gmail.comwrote: Sibi and Srikanth, Please use Wiki to do discussions. I would only answer there! This habit of doing discussions over Mailing lists is a bad practice. Sorry I never knew using mailing list was a bad practise . Could you please let me know why its so ? Any documented evidence or rule that I must not use mailing list for a discussion which has started in mailing list . Please let me know . It may be your own take that you will answer only there , then why announce it in mailing list ? Do, the discussion over the talk page. Am I supposed to take this as a high handed order from paid professional to a community member ? Nonetheless . The questions have been asked by Srikanth in talk page . Waiting for the reply atleast there :) -Sibi On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:09 AM, sibi kanagaraj civil.si...@gmail.comwrote: Hi , Please find the reply inline . On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:30 PM, రహ్మానుద్దీన్ షేక్ nani1o...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, As everyone is aware, Results of general elections are going to be announced on 16th of this month. In this regard, we are planning for a Wikidata labelathon for Indian parliamentarians who are declared win - constituency wise in these elections. Small Doubt : Location is given as //LocationAt your homes, over a cup of coffee!// And you call it as A2K's event . Don't you think its taking undue credit for the work which community is doing ? This will involve creating label for each parliamentarian and a description that says which constituency, state and party that politician is from. This will ensure that each language has at least a single line about each of the elected public representatives. Those who are interested, please fill in your names in the event page here : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Indian_Parliamentarian_Label-a-thon This project would run for 2 month period, and ensure that this labeling happens in all Indian languages. For any other help, please feel free to contact. I need a help . How is the metrics being set , for A2K driven wikidata update and community driven wikidata updates ? -- With thanks regards *Rahimanuddin Shaik* నాని Regards , Sibi [image: File:Wikimedia India logo.svg] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ reachout ఒక విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి, ఎక్కడయితే ప్రతి మనిషి ఒక సంపూర్ణ విజ్ఞానభాండారాన్ని అందరితో పంచుకోగలడో, ఆ విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి. *అటువంటి విశ్వాన్ని నెలకొల్పడమే మా సంకల్పం.* తెలుగు వికీపీడియా : http://te.wikipedia.org A new address for ebooks : http://kinige.com *తెలుగువారికి సాంకేతిక సహాయం - http://techsetu.com http://techsetu.com/* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- With thanks regards *Rahimanuddin Shaik* నాని [image: File:Wikimedia India logo.svg] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ reachout ఒక విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి, ఎక్కడయితే ప్రతి మనిషి ఒక సంపూర్ణ విజ్ఞానభాండారాన్ని అందరితో పంచుకోగలడో, ఆ విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి. *అటువంటి విశ్వాన్ని నెలకొల్పడమే మా సంకల్పం.* తెలుగు వికీపీడియా : http://te.wikipedia.org A new address for ebooks : http://kinige.com *తెలుగువారికి సాంకేతిక సహాయం - http://techsetu.com http://techsetu.com/* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Legal threat for Wikimedia community volunteers in India getting WMF grants
Ansuman, Thanks for dropping the allegation. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
Rahim, Thanks for educating the community about bad practices as a CIS employee :) Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
Ravi, Please educate me on what a CIS employee should do and what he is not supposed to do. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Rahim, Thanks for educating the community about bad practices as a CIS employee :) Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- With thanks regards *Rahimanuddin Shaik* నాని [image: File:Wikimedia India logo.svg] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ reachout ఒక విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి, ఎక్కడయితే ప్రతి మనిషి ఒక సంపూర్ణ విజ్ఞానభాండారాన్ని అందరితో పంచుకోగలడో, ఆ విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి. *అటువంటి విశ్వాన్ని నెలకొల్పడమే మా సంకల్పం.* తెలుగు వికీపీడియా : http://te.wikipedia.org A new address for ebooks : http://kinige.com *తెలుగువారికి సాంకేతిక సహాయం - http://techsetu.com http://techsetu.com/* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
MarHey, Any community member here from Kannada Wikipedia? I would like to understand the outcome of CIS work there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-02/News_and_notes lists one of the lessons learned as follows: //Single-session, general-audience outreach has negligible impact everywhere (for example, just giving a single talk about Wikipedia to whoever shows up—the conversion rate to editors is tiny, and yet we keep *doing* it.// (Do give a full read of that whole section 1.3 Lessons learned) Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach programs many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops where there is active editor community at all. To quote Asaf again: //So just what *has* the Foundation learned about the criteria for funding successful activities? Bartov first talked about a fundamental prerequisite: The *sine qua non* of most programs is a core of self-motivating active editors. Most of the things you want to do, most of the things chapters in the global north are doing, depend on this core. It can be as small as four or five people, but those people need to be actual active editors ... who edit because they like it, they enjoy editing Wikipedia or Commons, they get it, and they are inherently committed to our principles like NPOV; not people who are editing because there's a contest on and they want to win the laptop. Where that core doesn't exist, it's very hard to deploy any other type of program. If you want [a GLAM partnership] with the National Museum of Cameroon ... how are you going to deliver on what you promise the museum if you don't have local editors who will do the work – write the articles, show up to meet the curators. So this is the big, big challenge for which we don't have an answer: how do you grow such a core ... in a certain country? ... we're now cautious about active investment where there is not an active community—although it's still possible if you give us a really great idea.// The only outcome of such initiatives seem to be PR material like this: http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/wikipedia-taps-students-for-kannada-content/article5824580.ece where Pavanaja quotes as follows: //There was a significant increase in the number of editors after 500 students of Christ University, Bangalore, were trained in editing at a workshop held in January this year.// And when you look at Kannada Wikipedia stats, the user activity has returned to pre-education programme levels within a month http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaKN.htm So, I would like to understand why the wheel is getting reinvented again and again with an insane budget besides documented evidence of WMF's learning on this. Stop doing paid outreach. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
Hey, The last mail should just start with hey. Marhey is a typo. Check https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events#March_2014for the list of paid outreach events which have disputable value. I assume that such outreaches are done despite the value to hunt for potential partners for Wikipedia Education program. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Potential lobbying by CIS on their own FDC proposal
Hi Vishnu, Could you please clarify if the following user account https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/The-solipsist belongs to a CIS employee named Pranesh Prakash http://cis-india.org/about/people/our-team The very unique user ID Solipsist is seen to be coinciding with his gmail address used at http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/commons-law_mail.sarai.net/2007-February.txt He is also suggesting in Twitter that WMIN funding be stopped. https://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash/status/467385778268418048 Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
Rahim, As a CIS employee, you should learn professional etiquette and be consistent. You advise the community to discuss this project only in META and yet you are trying to reach community members by phone. After I placed my questions in META, you gave me a telephone call to discuss the questions I asked in META. That was a heated call almost shouting at me without allowing me to explain anything. Then you come in Facebook chat and challenged me to revert an edit in Tamil Wikipedia if I don't see value in the label-o-thon project. In my 9 years of serving the movement, no community member / staff has ever spoken like this. Who are you to dictate what I should do? Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
Hi Ravi, I ask the same, Who are you to dictate what I should do? And what my community should do? I didnt shout at you, you are shouting at me everytime you remind me that whatever I do is being done as CIS employee, though this whole conversation goes with my personal ID and not CIS's. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Rahim, As a CIS employee, you should learn professional etiquette and be consistent. You advise the community to discuss this project only in META and yet you are trying to reach community members by phone. After I placed my questions in META, you gave me a telephone call to discuss the questions I asked in META. That was a heated call almost shouting at me without allowing me to explain anything. Then you come in Facebook chat and challenged me to revert an edit in Tamil Wikipedia if I don't see value in the label-o-thon project. In my 9 years of serving the movement, no community member / staff has ever spoken like this. Who are you to dictate what I should do? Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- With thanks regards *Rahimanuddin Shaik* నాని [image: File:Wikimedia India logo.svg] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/ reachout ఒక విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి, ఎక్కడయితే ప్రతి మనిషి ఒక సంపూర్ణ విజ్ఞానభాండారాన్ని అందరితో పంచుకోగలడో, ఆ విశ్వాన్ని ఊహించండి. *అటువంటి విశ్వాన్ని నెలకొల్పడమే మా సంకల్పం.* తెలుగు వికీపీడియా : http://te.wikipedia.org A new address for ebooks : http://kinige.com *తెలుగువారికి సాంకేతిక సహాయం - http://techsetu.com http://techsetu.com/* ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
Rahim, If you are doing this project as a volunteer, why are you documenting it as a CIS proejct? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Events/Indian_Parliamentarian_Label-a-thon I have never dictated on what Telugu or any other community should do. But, I do share my feedback and comments as a neighbourhood community member. Please, do not forget I was part of the Hyderabadi Wikipedia community during 2011 - 2012 and actively participated / initiated some community meetings. You may also watch an evidence for this at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO0gPOBE6Oo // whatever I do is being done as CIS employee// 40% of your work is already documented here https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q12 Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Indian Parliamentarians' Label-a-thon
Rahim, Let me decalre this. I am BOYCOTTING to sign up for this labelothon event for the following reasons. * Signing up for this event will only help CIS-A2K undue credit for existing organic communty's work. There has been past evidences for these as seen https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Q4 and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Segregating_organic_metrics * Soon after I register a difference of opinion in META, I receive a phone call shouting at me and a Facebook chat challenging me to an edit from a CIS employee. This is no way to treat the community members and I strongly PROTEST. * I would rather spend my energy in contributing to full length articles like https://ta.wikipedia.org/s/3hjv which are more useful and highly visible. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] On CIS's grants request from Wikimedia Foundation
Samuel, Recriminations haven't been without reason. As repulsive as they are, they've actually been fueled by anarchy of the way things have been taken forward in India by WMF right from the multi-million Rupee India Programs - much of it worked out in a very hush-hush manner. Questions asked by the community members have either been suppressed or ignored. Many questions still lie unanswered which is a shame. On 15 May 2014 19:49, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Both WMF and CIS want to build trust with each other forgetting that the community is the invisible / invincible third partner and stakeholder . Actually, I think both WMF and CIS are primarily interested in building trust with the community. That is where most energy, effort, and communication are directed: however unsuccessful those efforts. Nice use of invincible, btw. There is almost no communication or interaction between the WMF and CIS : but when it happens it is brief and to the point; respectful, low-key, and impersonal; focused on accomplishing specific tasks. There is a far larger amount of communication and interaction between both groups and the community: but with more recriminations and less focus. SJ ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Outcome of CIS work in Kannada Wikipedia
Ravi, You should perhaps post this to the Kannada Wikipedia mailing list to get some answers from some actual contributors. On 17 May 2014 16:40, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: MarHey, Any community member here from Kannada Wikipedia? I would like to understand the outcome of CIS work there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-10-02/News_and_notes lists one of the lessons learned as follows: //Single-session, general-audience outreach has negligible impact everywhere (for example, just giving a single talk about Wikipedia to whoever shows up—the conversion rate to editors is tiny, and yet we keep *doing* it.// (Do give a full read of that whole section 1.3 Lessons learned) Yet, CIS seems to be repeating sich negligible impact outreach programs many times in March and April 2014. This includes Tulu workshops where there is active editor community at all. To quote Asaf again: //So just what *has* the Foundation learned about the criteria for funding successful activities? Bartov first talked about a fundamental prerequisite: The *sine qua non* of most programs is a core of self-motivating active editors. Most of the things you want to do, most of the things chapters in the global north are doing, depend on this core. It can be as small as four or five people, but those people need to be actual active editors ... who edit because they like it, they enjoy editing Wikipedia or Commons, they get it, and they are inherently committed to our principles like NPOV; not people who are editing because there's a contest on and they want to win the laptop. Where that core doesn't exist, it's very hard to deploy any other type of program. If you want [a GLAM partnership] with the National Museum of Cameroon ... how are you going to deliver on what you promise the museum if you don't have local editors who will do the work – write the articles, show up to meet the curators. So this is the big, big challenge for which we don't have an answer: how do you grow such a core ... in a certain country? ... we're now cautious about active investment where there is not an active community—although it's still possible if you give us a really great idea.// The only outcome of such initiatives seem to be PR material like this: http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/wikipedia-taps-students-for-kannada-content/article5824580.ece where Pavanaja quotes as follows: //There was a significant increase in the number of editors after 500 students of Christ University, Bangalore, were trained in editing at a workshop held in January this year.// And when you look at Kannada Wikipedia stats, the user activity has returned to pre-education programme levels within a month http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaKN.htm So, I would like to understand why the wheel is getting reinvented again and again with an insane budget besides documented evidence of WMF's learning on this. Stop doing paid outreach. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
