Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Support for our communities across India

[Subhashish Panigrahi]

I feel that there is a lot of negativity which comes from some genuine 
frustrations but also impulsive action. As the situation is fairly complex, it 
would be useful to stick to the facts only. A lot of new subscribers to this 
list who might not have context will simply be affected adversely if this 
continues. My note below is not to undermine the efforts or genuine interests 
of anyone but to share some clarity around compliance based on some similar 
experiences.

When Anirudh’s response gives a good sense of FCRA, I just wanted to reiterate 
the fact that receiving FCRA approval has a 50:50 chance and it is a three-year 
long process. Clean records, full-time staff and a long list high-impact 
activities can still lead to a decline if one doesn’t have the right kind of 
connections. However, an NGO can apply for a prior permission for a one time 
foreign funding for a standalone activity and the chances of receiving that 
funding is higher as compared to a regular FCRA approval. Coming from a donor’s 
perspective as I was dealing with the same issue of funding Indian affiliates 
for an organization that I worked for, I believe, FCRA should not be compliance 
criterion for any Indian NGO. Many NGOs that have a much longer history and 
have done a lot of paid work (and hence in large volumes) with bigger teams 
(and especially lawyers on the payroll) have failed to acquire FCRA just 
because of their activities and publications that might have openly criticized 
a government. 

Furthermore, a mission-aligned NGO with FCRA approval can always help another 
smaller NGO as a fiscal sponsor till the time the latter builds a portfolio 
with some local grants. This has to be done very carefully so that the funding 
doesn’t look like a circumvention of FCRA meaning that the entire activities 
will need to be organized/co-organized by the fiscal sponsor. In real terms, no 
matter who is involved in the activity, all the work, vendor payments, and even 
the branding must include the fiscal sponsor. It becomes the said fiscal 
sponsor’s activity funded by a foreign donor and supported by volunteers or 
paid contractors from other collectives/NGOs. Considering the hardship (or more 
of chances of a ballgame) this is probably a model a donor organization like 
WMF can explore so that individuals or collectives don’t have to pay taxes 
while receiving any funding. This arrangement might have a compliance cost 
factor and availability of staff as the fiscal sponsor has to pay its staff and 
should have the bandwidth to manage the additional work.

Another model that IEEE and many others have explored is allowing nonprofit 
(and even for-profit companies) to become the grantee. I’m not very sure of the 
tax exemption part but I believe that a for-profit company can only receive 
investments (and not grants) and must pay tax. That could be an extra expense 
but it’s much safer. The actual work must be reported as a work by this company 
just like the previous situation. IMHO foreign nonprofit donors should 
definitely have the flexibility (that the grantee profile can range from a 
not-for-profit society or trust or company to a for-profit company) for their 
Indian grantees because it’s risky to operate as an NGO in India since the last 
few years and manage to get FCRA approval at the same time while doing good 
work. When Wikipedia is all about open knowledge sharing in multiple languages, 
issues related map/border can work against a grantee and the law enforcement 
agencies can go behind them.

My request to WMF and AffCom would be to reconsider WMIN’s situation with the 
lens of FCRA-related compliance issues because FCRA as a compliance factor 
could jeopardize any smaller Indian NGO.

Subhashish

> On Jul 20, 2019, at 2:36 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I have replied on the thread on meta. Copying that content here for reference:
> Anirudh has already mentioned most of the points I also wanted to say. (Check 
> here: 
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2019-July/014215.html) 
> I will add a few more things here.
> WMF is very very keen on all kinds of legal compliance. The recent example is 
> the "Germany court order". Surprisingly, possibly for the first time in 
> Wikipedia history, all the relevent content was WIPED out from Wikipedia 
> within a day of the court order where only one person was affected by the 
> content. Compared to that, here in India, FCRA issue is affecting thousands 
> of organisations in a serious way and AFFCOM is still not able to understand 
> the FCRA compliance issue. (Maybe, compared to Indian languages, German 
> language is better understood by concerned people!!)
> By the way, What was the support given by WMF/AFFCOM to WMIN in the FCRA 
> matters? Have they provided any consultant or legal help to WMIN.  Or even 
> some high level contacts in the concerned Government office to put up our 
> case further.
> It will also be interesting 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Support for our communities across India

[Sudhanwa Jogalekar]

Hi,
I have replied on the thread on meta. Copying that content here for
reference:
Anirudh has already mentioned most of the points I also wanted to say.
(Check here:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2019-July/014215.html)
I will add a few more things here. WMF is very very keen on all kinds of
legal compliance. The recent example is the "Germany court order".
Surprisingly, possibly for the first time in Wikipedia history, all the
relevent content was WIPED out from Wikipedia within a day of the court
order where only one person was affected by the content. Compared to that,
here in India, FCRA issue is affecting thousands of organisations in a
serious way and AFFCOM is still not able to understand the FCRA compliance
issue. (Maybe, compared to Indian languages, German language is better
understood by concerned people!!)By the way, What was the support given by
WMF/AFFCOM to WMIN in the FCRA matters? Have they provided any consultant
or legal help to WMIN. Or even some high level contacts in the concerned
Government office to put up our case further.It will also be interesting to
know if by any chance, CIS looses FCRA, (I sincerely wish that does not
happen anytime) AFFCOM/WMF will remove their affiliation? Read the WMF news
article here:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/04/11/a-german-court-forced-us-to-remove-part-of-a-wikipedia-articles-history-heres-what-that-means/
Indian
Wikipedian community is very very keen on expenditure, especially wherever
they feel that some wrong expenditure is made (not just by Indian
organisation but even when WMF money is spent) They become very very
concerned about it and become very vocal. Mail thread goes on for months
asking for justificaiton of such expenditure.(eg. check here:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2018-July/013400.html)
Hardly anyone from WMF/AFFCOM comment on it. Compared to that, when India
chapter is not spending any money and doing all zero budget activities,
what could be the problem with it for the community or AFFCOM or WMF.
Actually they should appriciate and should be happy about saving lots of
money and still doing activities. The closure of India chapter topic comes
up again and again and some lengthy discussions happen on it. I am
referring to one such mail thread a few years back and specificaly want WMF
people to read my comment that time in a reply to Gerard Meijssen. Please
check it out here:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2014-September/011563.html
Now
that AFFCOM is showing so much concern about the India activities, it will
be better if they can tell us (the stake holders in this- Indian
Wikipedians, volunteers, current and past WMIN EC members and general WMIN
members) the comparision of performance of affiliates in India namely WMIN
and CIS-A2K. What is the expenditure on various activities, paid staff etc
etc. And give us a clear understanding of where the real objection is. I
suppose this should be with reference to the contract between WMF and WMIN.
I read the contract document again some time back and could hardly see any
possible serious violation of the contract that AFFCOM is referring to.
Regards
-Sudhanwa


On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 5:13 PM Anirudh S. Bhati 
wrote:

> For now I am not going to get into other issues, but would like to get
> clarification on the following:
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 6:20 PM Chris Koerner 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Wikimedia India was first recognized as a chapter in 2011. In 2015, it
>> experienced difficulties meeting chapter agreement obligations.
>> Working with the Affiliations Committee and the Foundation, the
>> chapter developed a plan of action and returned to good standing by
>> 2017. However, between 2017 and 2019
>>
>>
>> *the chapter was unable to secure a license to act as a fiduciary
>> organization, and is not currently legally registered as a charity in India
>> to accept funding from the Foundation*. The Foundation and Affiliations
>> Committee both hope that
>> this licensing and registration can be secured, and that the chapter
>> will again be eligible for recognition.
>>
>
> AFAIK, the Wikimedia Chapter (Wikimedia India) *is* registered as a
> charitable society under the Karnataka Societies Registration Act.
> Therefore, it *is* a fiduciary organization acting in public interest.  I
> would like to hear a clarification on your claims above.
>
> Further, my understanding is that the Chapter has been unable to
> renew/secure its permissions under the Foreign Contribution (Regulation)
> Act, which prevents it from receiving funds from foreign sources, including
> the Foundation.  This is not a situation unique to Wikimedia India, as more
> than 20,000 NGOs nationally faced cancellations of their licenses last year
> due to reasons that have largely to do with politics rather than compliance
> related issues.
>
>
> 

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

[Arun Ganesh]

Conngratulations!
Bodhi has been doing some amazing work with data pushes, very well deserved
and excited to see whats ahead.
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

[Santosh Shingare]

Congratulations Bodhisattwa.

Thanks & Regards

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On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 10:04 PM Sailesh Patnaik <
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> Great news, Congratulations Bodhisattwa :)
>
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 at 9:03 PM, balaji  wrote:
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>>
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>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 7:29 PM Abhilash S Unni 
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>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:36 PM Tito Dutta  wrote:
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 Hello,
 Sometime ago we informed about Wikidata advisor position.
 https://cis-india.org/a2k/wikidata-advisor-consultant-position-open We
 got several applications for this position.
 After reviewing all the applications, Bodhisattwa Mandal
 (User:Bodhisattwa)[1] has been selected for this position. We hope that he
 will be able to support Wikidata project in India in future, and bring/work
 on interesting projects and ideas.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

[Sailesh Patnaik]

Great news, Congratulations Bodhisattwa :)

On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 at 9:03 PM, balaji  wrote:

> Best wishes Bodhi!!
>
> Regards
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>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 7:29 PM Abhilash S Unni 
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>> Congratulations, all the best wishes.
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>>> Hello,
>>> Sometime ago we informed about Wikidata advisor position.
>>> https://cis-india.org/a2k/wikidata-advisor-consultant-position-open We
>>> got several applications for this position.
>>> After reviewing all the applications, Bodhisattwa Mandal
>>> (User:Bodhisattwa)[1] has been selected for this position. We hope that he
>>> will be able to support Wikidata project in India in future, and bring/work
>>> on interesting projects and ideas.
>>>
>>> [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Bodhisattwa
>>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

[balaji]

Best wishes Bodhi!!

Regards
J. Balaji

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 7:29 PM Abhilash S Unni 
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> Congratulations, all the best wishes.
>
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> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:36 PM Tito Dutta  wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> Sometime ago we informed about Wikidata advisor position.
>> https://cis-india.org/a2k/wikidata-advisor-consultant-position-open We
>> got several applications for this position.
>> After reviewing all the applications, Bodhisattwa Mandal
>> (User:Bodhisattwa)[1] has been selected for this position. We hope that he
>> will be able to support Wikidata project in India in future, and bring/work
>> on interesting projects and ideas.
>>
>> [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Bodhisattwa
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

[sushant savla]

Great news, All the Best Bodhi. 



On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:06:46 +0530 Tito Dutta  wrote

>Hello,Sometime ago we informed about Wikidata advisor position. 
>https://cis-india.org/a2k/wikidata-advisor-consultant-position-open We got 
>several applications for this position. 

After reviewing all the applications, Bodhisattwa Mandal (User:Bodhisattwa)[1] 
has been selected for this position. We hope that he will be able to support 
Wikidata project in India in future, and bring/work on interesting projects and 
ideas. 



[1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Bodhisattwa 



Thanks 

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

[Abhilash S Unni]

Congratulations, all the best wishes.

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On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:36 PM Tito Dutta  wrote:

> Hello,
> Sometime ago we informed about Wikidata advisor position.
> https://cis-india.org/a2k/wikidata-advisor-consultant-position-open We
> got several applications for this position.
> After reviewing all the applications, Bodhisattwa Mandal
> (User:Bodhisattwa)[1] has been selected for this position. We hope that he
> will be able to support Wikidata project in India in future, and bring/work
> on interesting projects and ideas.
>
> [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Bodhisattwa
>
> Thanks
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[Jinoy Tom Jacob]

Congratulations Bodhisattwa.

Regards
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 at 19:00, Suyash Dwivedi  wrote:

>
> Congratulations Bodhi.
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:31 PM Rajeeb Dutta  wrote:
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>>
>> Congratulations Bodhi. All my best wishes.
>>
>> Best Regards,
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>> > On 19-Jul-2019, at 6:10 PM, Dr. Manavpreet Kaur <
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>> >
>> > Congratulations Bodhi. All the best.
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[Asaf Bartov]

Congratulations!

I look forward to even more exciting developments in India's embrace of
Wikidata.

   A.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:30 PM Suyash Dwivedi  wrote:

>
> Congratulations Bodhi.
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:31 PM Rajeeb Dutta  wrote:
>
>>
>> Congratulations Bodhi. All my best wishes.
>>
>> Best Regards,
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[Suyash Dwivedi]

Congratulations Bodhi.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 6:31 PM Rajeeb Dutta  wrote:

>
> Congratulations Bodhi. All my best wishes.
>
> Best Regards,
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[Rajeeb Dutta]

Congratulations Bodhi. All my best wishes.

Best Regards,
Rajeeb Dutta.
(U: Marajozkee)
Sent from my iPhone 

> On 19-Jul-2019, at 6:10 PM, Dr. Manavpreet Kaur  
> wrote:
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> Congratulations Bodhi. All the best.

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[Jagseer Sidhu]

Congratulations sir, all the best 

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 6:10 PM Dr. Manavpreet Kaur <
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> Congratulations Bodhi. All the best.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 18:06 Tito Dutta,  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> Sometime ago we informed about Wikidata advisor position.
>> https://cis-india.org/a2k/wikidata-advisor-consultant-position-open We
>> got several applications for this position.
>> After reviewing all the applications, Bodhisattwa Mandal
>> (User:Bodhisattwa)[1] has been selected for this position. We hope that he
>> will be able to support Wikidata project in India in future, and bring/work
>> on interesting projects and ideas.
>>
>> [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Bodhisattwa
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

[Dr. Manavpreet Kaur]

Congratulations Bodhi. All the best.



On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 18:06 Tito Dutta,  wrote:

> Hello,
> Sometime ago we informed about Wikidata advisor position.
> https://cis-india.org/a2k/wikidata-advisor-consultant-position-open We
> got several applications for this position.
> After reviewing all the applications, Bodhisattwa Mandal
> (User:Bodhisattwa)[1] has been selected for this position. We hope that he
> will be able to support Wikidata project in India in future, and bring/work
> on interesting projects and ideas.
>
> [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Bodhisattwa
>
> Thanks
> Tito Dutta
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[Wikimediaindia-l] Wikidata Advisor position: Update

[Tito Dutta]

Hello,
Sometime ago we informed about Wikidata advisor position.
https://cis-india.org/a2k/wikidata-advisor-consultant-position-open We got
several applications for this position.
After reviewing all the applications, Bodhisattwa Mandal
(User:Bodhisattwa)[1] has been selected for this position. We hope that he
will be able to support Wikidata project in India in future, and bring/work
on interesting projects and ideas.

[1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Bodhisattwa

Thanks
Tito Dutta
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