Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Aakash UbiSlate 7
On 18 October 2011 17:16, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Overall, for just 3K , it seems worth buying considering its functionality like internet connectivity, phone calling, various apps etc.. Maybe I will go for one more as standby and still spend just 6k. Sudhanwa, the question is worth buying for whom? As individual purchases, I am fine with it. The Government subsidising it to provide to students, I do not agree with because the cost/benefit doesn't make much sense. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Aakash UbiSlate 7
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 18 October 2011 17:16, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Overall, for just 3K , it seems worth buying considering its functionality like internet connectivity, phone calling, various apps etc.. Maybe I will go for one more as standby and still spend just 6k. Sudhanwa, the question is worth buying for whom? As individual purchases, I am fine with it. The Government subsidising it to provide to students, I do not agree with because the cost/benefit doesn't make much sense. We also (although perhaps that is a discussion for a different forum, yet it has its echo right here, because of the content question) need to understand whether the government is being ridden on for a parochial purpose. As it is presently constructed, Aakash seems very unsuitable for higher education. This may seem an extreme view, but I think we have no reason to accept the present quality of higher education as acceptable, for our country, for our children. This debate is already taking place at the level of such celebrity techies as Infosys' emeritus chairman, Narayana Murthy, who has voiced his concern about the premier IITS and IIMs (or maybe he restricted himself to IITs, and it hardly takes much to open one's eyes to the fact that the IITs are not and cannot be the end-all and be-all of higher learning in India). Will this device contribute to raising the bar at our institutes of higher learning? I don't think so. It might be useful as a supplement for secondary education, but even there, its low battery life is worrying. The possibility of recharging regularly, or of providing widely distributed electricity to keep the device working during the normal school day, is simply a pipe dream for the foreseeable future. I am not so concerned about the lack of support for Android Market, provided an alternate channel for maintaining and upgrading the device is created and made available in a meaningful manner. There is no information about any such infrastructure. Tacky construction will have disastrous results for devices placed in the hands of playful schoolchildren. And as of yet, there is no framework of pedagogy to use the device. Who will help implement such a pedagogy when it is developed? Schoolteachers who have not yet put their hands on their first working personal computers? Also, MoHRD does not have a remit to bring a device like this to secondary schools. As such, it falls between two stools. Does the Ministry have good reason to believe that neither private industry nor any collective of techies is gearing to make an affordable and meaningful device possible? If so, I would like to know their source of information. I am aware of several such projects taking place worldwide in the non-private sector, and from the private sector, creating niche products for every conceivable segment seems to be happening almost continuously, or at any rate, at a bewildering speed. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Aakash UbiSlate 7
Aakash is probably great value for money. But the question is, is it the best our students deserve. I think not. Some confusion, I think, about what constitutes value for money. A badly put together device that has every possibility of failing, and does not have sufficient battery life to get through the school day, is not value, it's a waste. Small comfort that it's a waste of 3k instead of 37k. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: A reviewhttp://ibnlive.in.com/news/review-worlds-cheapest-tablet-akash/192812-11.htmlof Aakash. Best Bishakha On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.comwrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 6 October 2011 12:04, Nagarjuna G nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote: This by itself may not be a problem, as long as it is copyrighted with an appropriate CC clause. Let us send a representation. Will the Chapter consider doing this? And the India Office too? Maybe we can ask CC-India as well and CIS too? I'm a a little confused: the wording says IP will reside with MoHRD if the project is funded by this Mission, whereas afaik, no MHRD funding at all, never mind this mission, has come to any part of the Wikimedia community in India. There is no question, therefore, of copyright being 'vested' with them, and we only need make this clear in the representation. It should in addition be made clear, therefore, that any content taken from any Wikimedia project, including Wikipedia, comes with the appropriate CC copyright. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Aakash UbiSlate 7
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com wrote: Aakash is probably great value for money. But the question is, is it the best our students deserve. I think not. Some confusion, I think, about what constitutes value for money. A badly put together device that has every possibility of failing, and does not have sufficient battery life to get through the school day, is not value, it's a waste. Small comfort that it's a waste of 3k instead of 37k. Looks like the poor response during application switching off and/or other responses is due to the lack of processing power rather than the touch screen or the application itself. Probably, some small footprint (memory, screen) apps are installed in it that does not give user satisfaction. Overall, for just 3K , it seems worth buying considering its functionality like internet connectivity, phone calling, various apps etc.. Maybe I will go for one more as standby and still spend just 6k. ipad and other things could be great but the price range is also great. A decent netbook costs just about 15k and does almost everything that ipad does. for 3k, it looks value for money for whatever it is offering. Adding offline wikipedia will enhance that value :-) Regards -Sudhanwa ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Aakash UbiSlate 7
Is it possible to get one of these to test the Kiwix offline Wikipedia on? Would be interesting to do some usability testing during the India Hackathon. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.comwrote: Aakash is probably great value for money. But the question is, is it the best our students deserve. I think not. Some confusion, I think, about what constitutes value for money. A badly put together device that has every possibility of failing, and does not have sufficient battery life to get through the school day, is not value, it's a waste. Small comfort that it's a waste of 3k instead of 37k. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: A reviewhttp://ibnlive.in.com/news/review-worlds-cheapest-tablet-akash/192812-11.htmlof Aakash. Best Bishakha On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 6 October 2011 12:04, Nagarjuna G nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote: This by itself may not be a problem, as long as it is copyrighted with an appropriate CC clause. Let us send a representation. Will the Chapter consider doing this? And the India Office too? Maybe we can ask CC-India as well and CIS too? I'm a a little confused: the wording says IP will reside with MoHRD if the project is funded by this Mission, whereas afaik, no MHRD funding at all, never mind this mission, has come to any part of the Wikimedia community in India. There is no question, therefore, of copyright being 'vested' with them, and we only need make this clear in the representation. It should in addition be made clear, therefore, that any content taken from any Wikimedia project, including Wikipedia, comes with the appropriate CC copyright. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- *Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation * ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Aakash UbiSlate 7
From what has been noised, it will not be available until December. Since the IBN review mentions an actual piece, there clearly are some floating about, but one would probably need to get in touch with MoHRD to get access. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Jessie Wild jw...@wikimedia.org wrote: Is it possible to get one of these to test the Kiwix offline Wikipedia on? Would be interesting to do some usability testing during the India Hackathon. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 2:39 AM, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com wrote: Aakash is probably great value for money. But the question is, is it the best our students deserve. I think not. Some confusion, I think, about what constitutes value for money. A badly put together device that has every possibility of failing, and does not have sufficient battery life to get through the school day, is not value, it's a waste. Small comfort that it's a waste of 3k instead of 37k. On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: A reviewhttp://ibnlive.in.com/news/review-worlds-cheapest-tablet-akash/192812-11.htmlof Aakash. Best Bishakha On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Vickram Crishna vvcris...@radiophony.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 6 October 2011 12:04, Nagarjuna G nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote: This by itself may not be a problem, as long as it is copyrighted with an appropriate CC clause. Let us send a representation. Will the Chapter consider doing this? And the India Office too? Maybe we can ask CC-India as well and CIS too? I'm a a little confused: the wording says IP will reside with MoHRD if the project is funded by this Mission, whereas afaik, no MHRD funding at all, never mind this mission, has come to any part of the Wikimedia community in India. There is no question, therefore, of copyright being 'vested' with them, and we only need make this clear in the representation. It should in addition be made clear, therefore, that any content taken from any Wikimedia project, including Wikipedia, comes with the appropriate CC copyright. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- *Jessie Wild Global Development, Manager Wikimedia Foundation * ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Aakash UbiSlate 7
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: So the fabled tablet has launched. http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=76476 What interests me is this: Content Creation The National Mission on Education through Information and Communication Technology (NME-ICT) has proposed 18 different line items for content creation. All content that is created under this Mission needs to meet the following criteria: · It should be related to education delivery. · It should involve faculty from different institutions · All IP (Intellectual Property) created under projects funded by this Mission will vest with MHRD This by itself may not be a problem, as long as it is copyrighted with an appropriate CC clause. Let us send a representation. -- GN http://metaStudio.org/ reShaping Education ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Aakash UbiSlate 7
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.orgwrote: On 6 October 2011 12:04, Nagarjuna G nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote: This by itself may not be a problem, as long as it is copyrighted with an appropriate CC clause. Let us send a representation. Will the Chapter consider doing this? And the India Office too? Maybe we can ask CC-India as well and CIS too? I'm a a little confused: the wording says IP will reside with MoHRD if the project is funded by this Mission, whereas afaik, no MHRD funding at all, never mind this mission, has come to any part of the Wikimedia community in India. There is no question, therefore, of copyright being 'vested' with them, and we only need make this clear in the representation. It should in addition be made clear, therefore, that any content taken from any Wikimedia project, including Wikipedia, comes with the appropriate CC copyright. -- Vickram Fool On The Hill http://communicall.wordpress.com ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] Aakash UbiSlate 7
So the fabled tablet has launched. http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=76476 What interests me is this: Content Creation The National Mission on Education through Information and Communication Technology (NME-ICT) has proposed 18 different line items for content creation. All content that is created under this Mission needs to meet the following criteria: · It should be related to education delivery. · It should involve faculty from different institutions · All IP (Intellectual Property) created under projects funded by this Mission will vest with MHRD · All content should be created using open-source software. · All content created under this Mission is for open access by all and cannot be charged for in any way Except for point 3, most content from Wikipedia would fit, right? We need to get moving! Thank you. Best, Gautam http://blog.prathambooks.org/p/social-media.html ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
