Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] decline in editors
I echo Amir. On 8 Mar 2013 06:42, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi Nikhil, and everyone else, I thought about writing a detailed reply about how that article is exaggerated (*Nobody* wants to edit anymore? Really, nobody?), and how the problems that you describe are just one side of the story (because the bureaucracy may be annoying, but it's a necessary evil, bla, bla, bla), but I decided to write something else: You don't like the over-bureaucratic English Wikipedia? Fine. Do you know a language other than English? If you're in India, then you probably do. Go to the Wikipedia in that language and edit it. It may have some issues, too - bureaucracy, political arguments, wheel wars - but these issues are guaranteed to be smaller that they are in the English Wikipedia. And besides, Wikipedia in ANY language other than English needs more articles, more writers, and more love. The people who speak that language will appreciate you immensely. Maybe they won't tell you directly that they appreciate it immensely, but I promise you that they will. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/3/6 Nikhil Sheth nikhil...@gmail.com: Sharing an article I came across on Daily Dot (followed it from the vandalism article shared in an earlier mail), dated January 04, 2013 Nobody wants to edit Wikipedia anymore : http://www.dailydot.com/business/wikipedia-editors-decline-wikimedia-fellows/ excerpt (and I've underlined what I found significant): That's the question Wikipedia leaders and social science researchers are tackling. They've documented a drastic decline in the retention of new Wikipedia editors over the last five years. A new study published in the American Behavioral Science Journal by former Wikimedia Fellows says Wikipedia has lost some 30 percent of its English-language editors since 2006, as a result of off-putting automated rejections, restrictive new rules, and controlling older editors. What was most surprising was the scale of the problem, lead researcher Aaron Halfaker told the Daily Dot. Founded in 2001, Wikipedia was a first-of-its-kind experiment in online collaboration. Anyone who desired could sign up and become an editor, contributing to any of the site's entries, which now include more than 23 million topics. This openness allowed Wikipedia to cover a much wider range of subjects than a traditional encyclopedia, but it also made the project a source of criticism for its frequency of misinformation, either through accidental mistakes or deliberate vandalism. That's why Wikipedia instituted new rules in 2007 to improve the quality of information, but according to Halfaker, these same rules have driven away more than just the unwanted vandals. In 2006, only about 6 percent of quality new editors had their contributions rejected—a.k.a. reverted in Wikipedia lingo. In 2010, the number of contributions by new editors were being reverted at a rate of 1-in-4 by senior editors and the site's own automated response systems. Halfaker said that as a result, only about 11 percent of new editors have been staying on past their first two months, driving down the total number of contributors to the site. He said part of that has to do with the nasty initial experience many new editors have. If you're a new Wikipedia editor, the first message you get is usually from a bot or a semi-automated editing tool. It'll warn you of such issues as lack of sources or blanking and is designed to deter vandals or bad-faith editors. (sorry some links from the article were lost in this paste.. do see the original..) I recently blogged a rant about this myself: Go a little easy on people who are starting to contribute; love, encourage and forgive them instead of being so critical and punishing. Create page-tags/templates that can illustrate the fact that it's a work-in-progress, assign this status by default on new articles so a newbie isn't expected to already have advanced skills (which is a stupid, stupid thing wikipedia is doing right now. Adding references and templates is difficult, period. Don't expect a person with less than 50 edit counts to know or even want to learn about it). When a visitor comes at a page, maybe an age or number of edits can be displayed at the top to convey an idea of how mature or immature the article is. Having permanent-tenure editors is as bad an idea as having permanent bureaucrats or government leaders: There should be limited terms and off-periods between them and retirement times; that will be good for the editing community and will encourage editors to pass the baton on rather than be in a permanent status contest of entrenchment, edit-counts, deletions etc that I see at present. I got
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] decline in editors
Hi Nikhil, and everyone else, I thought about writing a detailed reply about how that article is exaggerated (*Nobody* wants to edit anymore? Really, nobody?), and how the problems that you describe are just one side of the story (because the bureaucracy may be annoying, but it's a necessary evil, bla, bla, bla), but I decided to write something else: You don't like the over-bureaucratic English Wikipedia? Fine. Do you know a language other than English? If you're in India, then you probably do. Go to the Wikipedia in that language and edit it. It may have some issues, too - bureaucracy, political arguments, wheel wars - but these issues are guaranteed to be smaller that they are in the English Wikipedia. And besides, Wikipedia in ANY language other than English needs more articles, more writers, and more love. The people who speak that language will appreciate you immensely. Maybe they won't tell you directly that they appreciate it immensely, but I promise you that they will. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2013/3/6 Nikhil Sheth nikhil...@gmail.com: Sharing an article I came across on Daily Dot (followed it from the vandalism article shared in an earlier mail), dated January 04, 2013 Nobody wants to edit Wikipedia anymore : http://www.dailydot.com/business/wikipedia-editors-decline-wikimedia-fellows/ excerpt (and I've underlined what I found significant): That's the question Wikipedia leaders and social science researchers are tackling. They've documented a drastic decline in the retention of new Wikipedia editors over the last five years. A new study published in the American Behavioral Science Journal by former Wikimedia Fellows says Wikipedia has lost some 30 percent of its English-language editors since 2006, as a result of off-putting automated rejections, restrictive new rules, and controlling older editors. What was most surprising was the scale of the problem, lead researcher Aaron Halfaker told the Daily Dot. Founded in 2001, Wikipedia was a first-of-its-kind experiment in online collaboration. Anyone who desired could sign up and become an editor, contributing to any of the site's entries, which now include more than 23 million topics. This openness allowed Wikipedia to cover a much wider range of subjects than a traditional encyclopedia, but it also made the project a source of criticism for its frequency of misinformation, either through accidental mistakes or deliberate vandalism. That's why Wikipedia instituted new rules in 2007 to improve the quality of information, but according to Halfaker, these same rules have driven away more than just the unwanted vandals. In 2006, only about 6 percent of quality new editors had their contributions rejected—a.k.a. reverted in Wikipedia lingo. In 2010, the number of contributions by new editors were being reverted at a rate of 1-in-4 by senior editors and the site's own automated response systems. Halfaker said that as a result, only about 11 percent of new editors have been staying on past their first two months, driving down the total number of contributors to the site. He said part of that has to do with the nasty initial experience many new editors have. If you're a new Wikipedia editor, the first message you get is usually from a bot or a semi-automated editing tool. It'll warn you of such issues as lack of sources or blanking and is designed to deter vandals or bad-faith editors. (sorry some links from the article were lost in this paste.. do see the original..) I recently blogged a rant about this myself: Go a little easy on people who are starting to contribute; love, encourage and forgive them instead of being so critical and punishing. Create page-tags/templates that can illustrate the fact that it's a work-in-progress, assign this status by default on new articles so a newbie isn't expected to already have advanced skills (which is a stupid, stupid thing wikipedia is doing right now. Adding references and templates is difficult, period. Don't expect a person with less than 50 edit counts to know or even want to learn about it). When a visitor comes at a page, maybe an age or number of edits can be displayed at the top to convey an idea of how mature or immature the article is. Having permanent-tenure editors is as bad an idea as having permanent bureaucrats or government leaders: There should be limited terms and off-periods between them and retirement times; that will be good for the editing community and will encourage editors to pass the baton on rather than be in a permanent status contest of entrenchment, edit-counts, deletions etc that I see at present. I got totally turned off at the last wikipedia meetup I attended in my city when people started showing off their edit-counts and were treating them like army medals. Many of the veteran editors
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] decline in editors
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] decline in editors
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: And besides, Wikipedia in ANY language other than English needs more articles, more writers, and more love. The people who speak that language will appreciate you immensely. Maybe they won't tell you directly that they appreciate it immensely, but I promise you that they will. And, when more feedback is received about how the experience of contributing in languages_other_than_English could be improved, the better it will be for all the participants in the WMF. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] decline in editors
Sharing an article I came across on Daily Dot (followed it from the vandalism article shared in an earlier mail), dated January 04, 2013 Nobody wants to edit Wikipedia anymore : http://www.dailydot.com/business/wikipedia-editors-decline-wikimedia-fellows/ excerpt (and I've underlined what I found significant): That's the question Wikipedia leaders and social science researchers are tackling. They've documented a drastic decline in the retention of new Wikipedia editors over the last five years. A new study published in the American Behavioral Science Journal by former Wikimedia Fellows says Wikipedia has lost some 30 percent of its English-language editors since 2006, as a result of off-putting automated rejections, _restrictive new rules, and controlling older editors.__ __ _What was most surprising was the scale of the problem, lead researcher Aaron Halfaker told the Daily Dot. Founded in 2001, Wikipedia was a first-of-its-kind experiment in online collaboration. Anyone who desired could sign up and become an editor, contributing to any of the site's entries, which now include more than 23 million topics. This openness allowed Wikipedia to cover a much wider range of subjects than a traditional encyclopedia, but it also made the project a source of criticism for its frequency of misinformation, either through accidental mistakes or deliberate vandalism. That's why Wikipedia instituted new rules in 2007 to improve the quality of information, but according to Halfaker, these same rules have driven away more than just the unwanted vandals. In 2006, only about 6 percent of quality new editors had their contributions rejected---a.k.a. reverted in Wikipedia lingo. In 2010, the number of contributions by new editors were being reverted at a rate of 1-in-4 by senior editors and the site's own automated response systems. Halfaker said that as a result, only about 11 percent of new editors have been staying on past their first two months, driving down the total number of contributors to the site. He said part of that has to do with the _nasty initial experience many new editors have_. If you're a new Wikipedia editor, the first message you get is usually from a bot or a semi-automated editing tool. It'll warn you of such issues as lack of sources or blanking and is designed to deter vandals or bad-faith editors. (sorry some links from the article were lost in this paste.. do see the original..) I recently blogged http://nikhilsheth.blogspot.in/2013/03/feedback-to-wikipedia.html a rant about this myself: Go a little easy on people who are starting to contribute; love, encourage and forgive them instead of being so critical and punishing. Create page-tags/templates that can illustrate the fact that it's a work-in-progress, assign this status by default on new articles so a newbie isn't expected to already have advanced skills (which is a stupid, stupid thing wikipedia is doing right now. Adding references and templates is difficult, period. Don't expect a person with less than 50 edit counts to know or even want to learn about it). When a visitor comes at a page, maybe an age or number of edits can be displayed at the top to convey an idea of how mature or immature the article is. Having permanent-tenure editors is as bad an idea as having permanent bureaucrats or government leaders: There should be limited terms and off-periods between them and retirement times; that will be good for the editing community and will encourage editors to pass the baton on rather than be in a permanent status contest of entrenchment, edit-counts, deletions etc that I see at present. I got totally turned off at the last wikipedia meetup I attended in my city when people started showing off their edit-counts and were treating them like army medals. Many of the veteran editors today would never have participated in Wikipedia if they'd faced the kind of treatment given to newbies today. Obviously, this is an unsustainable model and headed for collapse when the present generation of editors dies out. Remove any element of competition; there is no such thing as healthy competition. There is no need for wikipedia's editors to have an obsessive compulsive quality control behaviour : we are NOT competing with peer-reviewed journals or mainstream publications; we are NOT supposed to be 100% accurate no-matter-what. That much is obvious in the disclaimers; we need to remind the editors lobby about it. Quality is achieved through time, love, room for experimentation and prolonged attention; not through rushed editing and deletions. Beware of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. --- I can expect what the standard set of responses to this would be. I should not rant. Wikipedia has standards. Don't blame the
