Hi All, First, I am not a chapter member. As a member of mailing list I have few suggestions to resolve issue.
1. Authorized person can publish ,"Activity list", "Expense list", "Financial supporters list" & "Maintenance expenditure list" on chapter site & share the link (Yes, specific link for report. Not just "is on site" statement) on this mail chain. (I wonder why this simple solution is not considered yet!) 2. People should stop making climes in chapter's name & stop all kind of fights till above lists are given by chapter. 3. Chapter should workout on financial transparency (I mean how public can verify it) to avoid such issue in future. 4. Keep in mind that finance is a critical issue & people may get negative message through bad fights like this. Thanks, Tejas jain 2013/2/13 Arnav Sonara <sonara.ar...@gmail.com> > On Feb 13, 2013 12:08 AM, "Abhishek Suryawanshi" < > i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India > mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion. > > > > > > India Community deserves to know answers. At one end Chapter is > criticizing CIS continuously on other hand its accepting financial help > from them and I am wondering whats wrong in acknowledging it! If someone is > helping then its ethical and normal to acknowledge it? > > Even If and when CIS funds the Chapter then it does not mean that one > cannot criticize the other. > > Criticism is necessary in community, but baseless allegations a big NO. > > When Srikanth says that all info about Chapter will be made public, we > have to take word for it. > > > > > Its might be beginning of new era - where Chapter is focusing on > outreach and activities events and CIS taking care of financial needs. > > I still quite don't understand what you mean. But I would like to say that > outreach has been done even when chapter didn't exist, but since its > formation it has been a lot easier at organisational layer to move things > forward. > > > Its good to see its already started.. > > > >> we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer. > > > > > > Chapter should be ready to share answers. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Abhishek Suryawanshi, > > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune > > > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Abhijith Jayanthi < > abhijithsince1...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > >> Guys, > >> > >> I understand this might be a serious issue, but I trust all India > mailing list is definitely not the platform for discussion. Please continue > this conversation privately, also - wanted to check on couple of points: > >> > >> (1) Do we have a policy of permitted issues to be discussed over the > all India Mailing list - if not, there is a necessity to work on it. > >> (2) Disclosures and grievance handling procedures should be shared with > each member upon joining and the mechanism should be followed. > >> > >> Again, pointing fingers or rephrasing the issue itself is not the > solution - we will have to move beyond the question to get the answer. > >> > >> - abhijith > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Srikanth Ramakrishnan <srik.r...@wikimedia.in> > >> > >> To: Wikimedia India Community list < > wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 11:31 PM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] why to donate > >> > >> Membership under processing is differnt from memvership alreadt > processed. INDI-31 is non existant and will remain so. > >> > >> As for CIS funding, you still havwn't said where you have got the > "information" from. > >> The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. > If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. > >> > >> n Tuesday, February 12, 2013, Abhishek Suryawanshi < > i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Dear Srikanth, > >> > I appreciate you keep a check of the Chapter Membership List. But at > the same time I guess you will also respect the Chapter President's word. I > have had a talk with Sudhanwa (President,Wikimedia India Chapter) and just > two days back he informed me that my Chapter-membership is being proceed. I > would like you to have or increase your communications with other EC > members (or at-least with President) before claiming me or anybody else > with allegations such as a 'Cheat' :) > >> > > >> > P.S : How does it affects my query about CIS funding chapter's travel > for Board meeting or not ? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Abhishek Suryawanshi, > >> > On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan < > srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote: > >> > > >> > Just to inform you that Abhishek Suryawanshi, who claims to be a > >> > Chapter Member with membership number INDI-31 is NOT a member. The > >> > entry currently doesn't exist in our membership list. Mr. Suryawanshi > >> > was a member of the Chapter during the earlier Financial Year and did > >> > NOT renew his membership. I hope the community is now aware of what > >> > kind of people it is dealing with. > >> > > >> > On 2/12/13, Abhishek Suryawanshi <i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> *@Karthik - * > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *If you have a question, you can ask it in the form of a question * > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Why Chapter is denying/ignoring fact flight tickets for members are > covered > >> >> by third party? > >> >> > >> >> *instead **of making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing > list,* > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> Do you mean to say 'CIS is supporting' part is unsubstantiated? Then > please > >> >> state who is covering travel expenses? > >> >> > >> >> *which is frankly unproductive since it requires us to spend time to > send > >> >>> out clarifications. * > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Could you please elaborate 'unproductive' term and 'sending out > >> >> clarification' part? What clarification is given? On contrary You are > >> >> putting up efforts to blur whole situation. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *@Sudhanwa - * > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *> 2)Major Chapter Expenses such as Flight Tickets for AGM are > covered by > >> >>> CIS. > >> >>> > >> >>> Absolutely wrong information you have go*t. > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> AGM word is wrong and Board Meeting is correct, right? Please > correct if > >> >> wrong. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *> I am waiting for someone to answer simple query - How much money > is > >> >>> required > >> >>> > for next year activities? and Which activities are planned? > >> >>> > >> >>> Grant requests are always on public wiki and the numbers are always > >> >>> open to all for discussions. You will find these details in the > >> >>> upcoming requests. Asaf has already indicated the same on the list. > >> >>> > >> >>> If you have any activities planned, please let us know. We will plan > >> >>> the resources accordingly (budgets, people etc) Same request also > goes > >> >>> to all the people in the community. Please let us know what you want > >> >>> to do. We are here to support you in whatever best way we can. Do > not > >> >>> hesitate to ask for suppo*rt. > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> It seems you are missing out whole point, I am talking about fixed > expenses > >> >> and 'possible' activities. Like Board meeting travel expenses. Which > can be > >> >> covered and are (already) getting covered by third parties like CIS. > >> >> > >> >> So it makes more sense to spend volunteer efforts on outreach kind of > >> >> activities than running for money? specially when third parties are > >> >> interested in supporting financially? > >> >> > >> >> When CIS is wrong, there is hard criticism, and when they support > >> >> financially - I guess there could be minimum acknowledgement?. > >> >> I think CIS may help chapter to cover other expenses also if needed. > So > >> >> Chapter can focus on productive outreach and activities? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *@Dhaval - * > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> *> 1)Chapter is having 1.5 Lack+ Rupees in existing account. * > >> >>> > >> >>> *And what do you think could be done by that HUGE AMOUNT of 1.5+ > Indian > >> >>> Rupees?* > >> >>> > >> >>> *I think chapter has its office in Bangalore and based on my > experience, > >> >>> I know that any property requires paying off few bills, e.g. > electricity, > >> >>> water, property tax, tel/internet (if it has got) and these things > are > >> >>> not > >> >>> so cheap in Today's India as they were in my days of teen (20 years > >> >>> ago).* > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> That is base amount, Someone from Chapter might be able to answer > exact > >> >> fixed expenses? Its always easy to find 'in-kind' donations as > compared to > >> >> cash. Its difficult specially when tax exemption is missing. And it > might > >> >> need extra efforts to run for money. > >> >> And why? There are people/organization which are taking care of > expenses > >> >> already! > >> >> > >> >> These expenses can be covered easily if there is clarity on 'what is > >> >> needed'. > >> >> > >> >> I have already explained 'in-kind' donation concept, Please see : > >> >> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Srikanth Ramakrishnan > >> Member of the Executive Committee > >> Wikimedia Chapter [India] > >> > >> Donate to the Wikimedia India Chapter today > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > >> Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > >
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