Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-19 Thread Amir E. Aharoni 
2012/3/19 Subhashish Panigrahi :
> Can I contribute in any way for Odia (Language code "or")?

Yes. Thanks for volunteering. I emailed the dictionary maintainer and
i'll get you in touch.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-19 Thread Subhashish Panigrahi 
Can I contribute in any way for Odia (Language code "or")?

On 18 March 2012 17:59, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:

> 2012/3/18 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> > I agree, English and other Latin/Roman based languages are easier to
> > implement as compared to Indic ones [as pointed out by Arjuna].
> > However, it would be great if we did have it in our languages.
> > Nothing is Impossible after all.
>
> It's not so much a matter of an alphabet, as of grammar complexity.
> Western European languages like Italian and French and Eastern
> European languages like Hungarian and Polish are written in the Latin
> alphabet, but they have very complicated grammar, so writing a
> spelling engine for them is much more challenging than doing it for
> English. Languages of India should be quite close to it in terms of
> complexity, despite the different writing systems.
>
> And above all, it's a matter of resources - French is quite complex,
> but there are much more resources (read: money) for it than for
> Telugu. But that's exactly why i propose everybody to at least try to
> use the existing tools: simply using the tools will help to uncover
> mistakes and missing words and fix them.
>
> I'm really glad that we have a real spelling tool developer on this list :)
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-18 Thread Amir E. Aharoni 
2012/3/18 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> I agree, English and other Latin/Roman based languages are easier to
> implement as compared to Indic ones [as pointed out by Arjuna].
> However, it would be great if we did have it in our languages.
> Nothing is Impossible after all.

It's not so much a matter of an alphabet, as of grammar complexity.
Western European languages like Italian and French and Eastern
European languages like Hungarian and Polish are written in the Latin
alphabet, but they have very complicated grammar, so writing a
spelling engine for them is much more challenging than doing it for
English. Languages of India should be quite close to it in terms of
complexity, despite the different writing systems.

And above all, it's a matter of resources - French is quite complex,
but there are much more resources (read: money) for it than for
Telugu. But that's exactly why i propose everybody to at least try to
use the existing tools: simply using the tools will help to uncover
mistakes and missing words and fix them.

I'm really glad that we have a real spelling tool developer on this list :)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-18 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
I agree, English and other Latin/Roman based languages are easier to
implement as compared to Indic ones [as pointed out by Arjuna].
However, it would be great if we did have it in our languages.
Nothing is Impossible after all.


On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 5:36 PM, Amir E. Aharoni <
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:

> 2012/3/18 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> > Excellent Amir.
> > Just a thought:
> >
> > For those who do not know, there is an addon called Lupin's Anti-Vandal
> Tool
> > [LAV] on the English Wikipedia.
> > This tool is a typical RC patrol tool which shows edits on the fly.
> > Part of this tool checks spellings on the fly and the user has the
> option of
> > fixing them.
> >
> > Perhaps this part of LAV could be ported?
>
> Of course, although it may be challenging. Theoretically it can work
> with any language, but in practice it's especially easy in English,
> because English has very easy morphology and words change very little
> by inflection, tense, number, gender etc. It's hard for many European
> languages, too, and it will be hard for languages of India, but it's
> definitely possible.
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-18 Thread Amir E. Aharoni 
2012/3/18 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> Excellent Amir.
> Just a thought:
>
> For those who do not know, there is an addon called Lupin's Anti-Vandal Tool
> [LAV] on the English Wikipedia.
> This tool is a typical RC patrol tool which shows edits on the fly.
> Part of this tool checks spellings on the fly and the user has the option of
> fixing them.
>
> Perhaps this part of LAV could be ported?

Of course, although it may be challenging. Theoretically it can work
with any language, but in practice it's especially easy in English,
because English has very easy morphology and words change very little
by inflection, tense, number, gender etc. It's hard for many European
languages, too, and it will be hard for languages of India, but it's
definitely possible.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-18 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
Excellent Amir.
Just a thought:

For those who do not know, there is an addon called Lupin's Anti-Vandal
Tool [LAV] on the English Wikipedia.
This tool is a typical RC patrol tool which shows edits on the fly.
Part of this tool checks spellings on the fly and the user has the option
of fixing them.

Perhaps this part of LAV could be ported?
--


On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Arjuna Rao Chavala
wrote:

> Base Telugu words though old were already available under GPL, thanks to
> the efforts of IIIT, Hyderabad which digitized CPBrown English-Telugu
> dictionary. I just used it
> for Telugu spell checker. I did not package it as a dictionary, as the
> purpose is served by spell checker add on.
>
> -
> Sent via mobile
> On Mar 18, 2012 5:10 AM, "Amir E. Aharoni" 
> wrote:
>
>> 2012/3/18 Arjuna Rao Chavala :
>> > Telugu spell checker (Self plug:contributed by me )is at
>> >
>> > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/telugu-spell-checker/
>>
>> Arjuna, this is very good! I wonder why doesn't it appear in the full
>> list of spelling dictionaries. I filed a bug:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736786
>>
>> > Spell checkers for indic languages have  only limited success, due to
>> the
>> > complex nature of Indic languages. Advanced algorithms developed in
>> > Universities are yet to  reach the common users.
>>
>> If the software is free, it can be distributed through Mozilla,
>> OpenOffice and Google services like GMail and Google Docs.
>>
>> In the particular case of Mozilla, the spelling dictionary can be
>> included in the version of Firefox that people download, but only if
>> it's licensed as GPL, LGPL and MPL. This requirement is strange to me,
>> but Mozilla are very firm about it. Since you are the author of this
>> particular dictionary, you can decide to license it this way, and then
>> it will be installed to all users by default.
>>
>> The other way to distribute it is just to advertise it any way you can
>> - blogs, comments, Facebook, anything. Spelling checkers should be
>> advertised more :)
>>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-17 Thread Arjuna Rao Chavala 
Base Telugu words though old were already available under GPL, thanks to
the efforts of IIIT, Hyderabad which digitized CPBrown English-Telugu
dictionary. I just used it
for Telugu spell checker. I did not package it as a dictionary, as the
purpose is served by spell checker add on.

-
Sent via mobile
On Mar 18, 2012 5:10 AM, "Amir E. Aharoni" 
wrote:

> 2012/3/18 Arjuna Rao Chavala :
> > Telugu spell checker (Self plug:contributed by me )is at
> >
> > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/telugu-spell-checker/
>
> Arjuna, this is very good! I wonder why doesn't it appear in the full
> list of spelling dictionaries. I filed a bug:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736786
>
> > Spell checkers for indic languages have  only limited success, due to the
> > complex nature of Indic languages. Advanced algorithms developed in
> > Universities are yet to  reach the common users.
>
> If the software is free, it can be distributed through Mozilla,
> OpenOffice and Google services like GMail and Google Docs.
>
> In the particular case of Mozilla, the spelling dictionary can be
> included in the version of Firefox that people download, but only if
> it's licensed as GPL, LGPL and MPL. This requirement is strange to me,
> but Mozilla are very firm about it. Since you are the author of this
> particular dictionary, you can decide to license it this way, and then
> it will be installed to all users by default.
>
> The other way to distribute it is just to advertise it any way you can
> - blogs, comments, Facebook, anything. Spelling checkers should be
> advertised more :)
>
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni 
2012/3/18 Arjuna Rao Chavala :
> Telugu spell checker (Self plug:contributed by me )is at
>
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/telugu-spell-checker/

Arjuna, this is very good! I wonder why doesn't it appear in the full
list of spelling dictionaries. I filed a bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=736786

> Spell checkers for indic languages have  only limited success, due to the
> complex nature of Indic languages. Advanced algorithms developed in
> Universities are yet to  reach the common users.

If the software is free, it can be distributed through Mozilla,
OpenOffice and Google services like GMail and Google Docs.

In the particular case of Mozilla, the spelling dictionary can be
included in the version of Firefox that people download, but only if
it's licensed as GPL, LGPL and MPL. This requirement is strange to me,
but Mozilla are very firm about it. Since you are the author of this
particular dictionary, you can decide to license it this way, and then
it will be installed to all users by default.

The other way to distribute it is just to advertise it any way you can
- blogs, comments, Facebook, anything. Spelling checkers should be
advertised more :)

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-17 Thread Béria Lima 
Other thing to be said about that (since we are now promoting Mozilla
add-ons)

1. You can install several dictionaries :D (I have for both Portuguese
versions, English, Spanish, French, Italian and German)

2. Since we are all wikipedians and happened at least once with all of use
to lost all our work because the browser crashed, you hit the "close"
button by mistake, or any other problem, this is a very good add-on which
works on Firefox, Chrome and Safari (but use it on firefox because Firefox
is the best one ;) ). The name is Lazarus, and you can download here (if
you use FF):
https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-PT/firefox/addon/lazarus-form-recovery/ or
here (for the other browsers): http://lazarus.interclue.com/download

3. If you wanna put references on your text in WP, but is too lazy to
format the refs, you can use:
https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-PT/firefox/addon/cite4wiki/

I do have a - very long - list of all addons you can use in your Firefox
(or directly in WP) to make it work with WP easier, if someone needs it
help, just send me a mail off-list.
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On 17 March 2012 17:05, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:

> Hello, Wikipedians in India,
>
> This just struck me: There's a very easy way to contribute to the
> Wikipedia in your language and to your language in general, and a lot
> of people are probably not aware of it.
>
> Here it is: Modern web browsers like Firefox and Google Chrome allow
> you to check the spelling while you type. An important thing that a
> lot of people don't realize is that it works not just in English, but
> in many other languages, too.
>
> If you use Firefox on Windows, go to this page:
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/language-tools/
>
> Find the spelling dictionary for your language in the list. Most major
> languages of India already appear there. Some important languages,
> like Kannada and Telugu are not there yet; i'm working on getting them
> there.
>
> To make it work:
>
> 1. Click "Install Dictionary" and follow the instructions.
> 2. Restart Firefox.
> 3. Open some article in the Wikipedia in your language for editing.
> 4. Right-click in the editing area.
> 5. Make sure that "Check spelling" is checked.
> 6. Right-click again. Go to "Languages" and make sure that your
> language is checked.
>
> Now check: Does the spell checking work as you would expect?
> Does it mark incorrect words in red?
> If you right-click words in red, does it offer sensible corrections?
>
> If all works well, you'll be able to easily fix spelling and grammar
> errors in the Wikipedia in your language. It is an easy way to
> contribute to the Wikipedia in your language, because usually you can
> improve the spelling of articles even without knowing much about the
> subject of the article.
>
> It is also possible that the dictionary is buggy or has missing words
> and marks correct words in red. If this happens, please write to me
> and i'll do my best to report these words to the maintainer of the
> dictionary, so that in the next version of the dictionary they will be
> checked correctly. (Let me say this again: Please feel free to write
> to me about technical problems in support for your language. I don't
> know any Indic language well, but i'm sure that i'll be able to help
> nevertheless.)
>
> If you don't use Firefox, you should try it:
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html
> (There's a good chance that there's a version in your language!)
>
> If you use Firefox on Linux or Mac, a spelling dictionary for your
> language is supposed to be already installed if you installed a
> language pack for your language in the operating system. If you are
> not sure how to do it or if it doesn't work as you expect, please
> write to me.
>
> Spell checking is supposed to work in Google Chrome, too, but it
> supports less languages and i also found some bugs in its spelling
> functionality. You are still welcome to try it: go to Preferences
> (wrench) -> Under the hood -> Languages and Spell-checker settings,
> and then add your language.
>
> I might be wrong, but i don't think that you can install custom
> spelling dictionaries in Microsoft Internet Explorer. If i'm wrong,
> please correct me; if i'm right, then well, that's another reason to
> try Firefox or Chrome :)
>
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[Wikimediaindia-l] An easy way to improve the spelling and grammar in the Wikipedia in your language

2012-03-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni 
Hello, Wikipedians in India,

This just struck me: There's a very easy way to contribute to the
Wikipedia in your language and to your language in general, and a lot
of people are probably not aware of it.

Here it is: Modern web browsers like Firefox and Google Chrome allow
you to check the spelling while you type. An important thing that a
lot of people don't realize is that it works not just in English, but
in many other languages, too.

If you use Firefox on Windows, go to this page:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/language-tools/

Find the spelling dictionary for your language in the list. Most major
languages of India already appear there. Some important languages,
like Kannada and Telugu are not there yet; i'm working on getting them
there.

To make it work:

1. Click "Install Dictionary" and follow the instructions.
2. Restart Firefox.
3. Open some article in the Wikipedia in your language for editing.
4. Right-click in the editing area.
5. Make sure that "Check spelling" is checked.
6. Right-click again. Go to "Languages" and make sure that your
language is checked.

Now check: Does the spell checking work as you would expect?
Does it mark incorrect words in red?
If you right-click words in red, does it offer sensible corrections?

If all works well, you'll be able to easily fix spelling and grammar
errors in the Wikipedia in your language. It is an easy way to
contribute to the Wikipedia in your language, because usually you can
improve the spelling of articles even without knowing much about the
subject of the article.

It is also possible that the dictionary is buggy or has missing words
and marks correct words in red. If this happens, please write to me
and i'll do my best to report these words to the maintainer of the
dictionary, so that in the next version of the dictionary they will be
checked correctly. (Let me say this again: Please feel free to write
to me about technical problems in support for your language. I don't
know any Indic language well, but i'm sure that i'll be able to help
nevertheless.)

If you don't use Firefox, you should try it:
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all.html
(There's a good chance that there's a version in your language!)

If you use Firefox on Linux or Mac, a spelling dictionary for your
language is supposed to be already installed if you installed a
language pack for your language in the operating system. If you are
not sure how to do it or if it doesn't work as you expect, please
write to me.

Spell checking is supposed to work in Google Chrome, too, but it
supports less languages and i also found some bugs in its spelling
functionality. You are still welcome to try it: go to Preferences
(wrench) -> Under the hood -> Languages and Spell-checker settings,
and then add your language.

I might be wrong, but i don't think that you can install custom
spelling dictionaries in Microsoft Internet Explorer. If i'm wrong,
please correct me; if i'm right, then well, that's another reason to
try Firefox or Chrome :)

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