Dear All,
I would like to join Tinu in apologizing for any emotional comments that I
made. I care for our movement. I want our movement to grow. I will do my
very best for our movement.
*NOTE*:My access to Internet is limited now due to the change in service
provider. Sorry for not sending
Tinu,
Someone from the Chapter, [I DO NOT want to name him] told me so.
I do not want to take the matter furtheer because I travelled at my
expense. I am NOT claiming it from the Chapter.
Good Day, Cheerio.
--
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 4:01 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
tinucher...@gmail.comwrote:
Dear
Okay, so the person who blasted me about Trichy caught me on this one too.
Let me clarify.
Tinu, I know the Chapter has been supportive of my actions even though I'm
not a member [yet].
Naveen was more than ready to sign the MoU much before I informed Nitika.
I am NOT claiming travel amount from
Thanks Srikanth for the clarification.
chapter hat
The India Chapter is here to serve the community. It makes
no distinction between chapter or (other) community members in these
efforts. AFAIK, Naveen had told RSrikanth that his travel expenses (
related to NITT) will be reimbursed by the
IEP volunteers
This is another branding going on to side line wikipedia editors. Remember
once a person start editing in Wikipedia they are wikipedians. But here we
are branding and sidelining them to prove our POV.
I have seen members (both in this list and in other lists) using the words
I strongly agree that we should NOT categorize or sideline any Wikipedians
based on how they came to project or any particular association. The idea
of any Wikimedia project is bring in more and more users ( editors and
readers) and not bring in any kind of caste system.
But I won't see English
hmmm.
/me wrong.
I was not present on that day and the names that I heard were all from IEP.
-Sudhanwa
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
Sudhanwa, a small correction. I was not supported by IEP members in Gnunify
but those of Wikipedia Pune Club
Yes, I agree. It is a fine point I am making, that I would rather see these
people through the lens of present affiliation than past affiliation.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
--
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to add here that Nitika's Subashish's presentation was a
great one for me to customise with my slides. I strongly recommend that
rather than recreate the wheel their presentation be used by all those
Sudhanwa,
I think the NITT event is more infamous than famous. : ) [Whatever the case
be, I'm still at the receiving end of 17 odd people and have been nicknamed
the Master of Disaster].
I'd not like to talk about my stay and trip.
Simply speaking, Saagar, was helpful, he arranged as per what I
Dear Shiju,
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote:
IEP volunteers
The discussion started off with the India Program report and I believe
that IEP is completely part of IP. Moreover, they are Wikipedia
volunteers from IEP as it is their reference/starting
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
wrote:
hi,
I don't think it's a good idea to separate the chapter and the community.
The chapter is a membership-based organization and by definition an
umbrella organization which represents the community. There
On Wednesday 07 March 2012 01:38 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
I think that although the chapter and community are volunteer based,
the chapter has more legal sanctity and is answerable as an
organisation against as a person being held responsible. Hence, it is
important that even the
On 7 March 2012 13:11, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Nothing is conducted solely by India Program - and hence I said
supported. Everything is conducted by the community - sometimes under
the aegis of the
hi,
Also think that putting this up on the talk page of the report would be
more helpful. Else, not many people will remember that this discussion even
took place. Discussions on this mailing list have a tendency to get buried.
warm regards,
Pradeep
On 7 March 2012 14:35, Subhashish Panigrahi
I am replying to this mail as a *Malayalam wikimedia community member*.
Fact: Subhashish, *former volunteer*, and now paid consultant with India
Programs.
What do you mean by this? I Shiju Alex is a Indic language wikipedian now
close to 6 years. According to Mr. Anirudh (an EC member of
Heya,
Personally, I feel that the work done by the Chapter and IP need to
segregated, solely for the purpose of accountability.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote:
I am replying
Shiju, you and Subhashish have been volunteers but now you are paid
contractors hired by the Foundation. Any work you do within the purview of
your contractual relationship with the Foundation will be work as a paid
contractor and cannot be deemed to be the same as a volunteer. You can
Shiju,
I request you to calm down first.
Please do NOT take anything as a personal attack.
--
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote:
Shiju, you and Subhashish have been volunteers but now you are paid
contractors hired by the Foundation. Any work you do
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote:
Shiju, you and Subhashish have been volunteers but now you are paid
contractors hired by the Foundation. Any work you do within the purview of
your contractual relationship with the Foundation will be work as a paid
Hi Shiju
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote:
Shiju, you and Subhashish have been volunteers but now you are paid
contractors hired by the Foundation. Any work you do within the purview of
your contractual relationship with the Foundation will be work as
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote:
I am replying to this mail as a Malayalam wikimedia community member.
Fact: Subhashish, former volunteer, and now paid consultant with India
Programs.
What do you mean by this? I Shiju Alex is a Indic language
Dear Anirudh Shiju,
I would strongly dispose this as NOT the official position of the chapter.
I have a different opinion but again I won't attribute to the chapter. What
I say below is my personal opinion.
Just because someone decides to work full time ( and paid too) doesn't mean
it ceases
Without meaning to be disrespectful of you. your helpful attitude or your
excellent work, Shiju, we have a bit of a problem when we ask people for
help/favours/action in case they are holding multiple positions.
I asked for a list of Malayalam articles of the 500 article CD collection.
You
Let me first explain what he was trying to refer to. He called you a
volunteer, from the Latin word voluntarius[1], meaning voluntary or
willing. The noun form [2] describes it as -
1.One who enters into, or offers for, any
servicehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/service of
his/her own free
In keeping with this spirit :) and the difficulty of distinguishing
between all these roles, I propose a simple purity test:
Are you a paid employee of the foundation or a paid contractor? (-25)
Have you ever been a paid employee or contractor? (-15)
Did you resign/stop? (+5)
Did you
Thanks, Tinu. I generally agree with you. Except that I never tried to
tell anyone about what they ought to be doing as a volunteer and what not.
There is a simple distinction between staff/consultants and volunteers as
is evident from conventional usage across the Wikimedia universe. The only
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 15:43, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote:
In keeping with this spirit :) and the difficulty of distinguishing
between all these roles, I propose a simple purity test:
Can you please stop trolling? This is not I-Dont-want-mention-list-l
--
Regards
Srikanth.L
On Wednesday 07 March 2012 03:47 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 15:43, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com
mailto:aprabh...@gmail.com wrote:
In keeping with this spirit :) and the difficulty of
distinguishing between all these roles, I propose a simple purity
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 15:51, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 07 March 2012 03:47 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 15:43, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.commailto:
aprabh...@gmail.com wrote:
In keeping with this spirit :) and the difficulty
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:37 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
tinucher...@gmail.comwrote:
Everyone is encouraged to volunteer for the chapter , regardless of what
his or her day job is. There is nothing that prevents even a foundation
staff or contractor even being the board member of the chapter ,
On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:01 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com
wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hisham: IP has taken initiatives that need to be commended as well.
Thank you! ;-)
For eg. Virtual Outreach via Google Hangout is Nitikas initiative.
Not nit-picking - but want to make a
Dear all,
In personal capacity, just offering a small clarification. I agree that
chapter and IP as organizational entities should have their roles defined
and their reports tabulated. This is a very desirable and healthy practice
imho.
Regarding my role as SIG, GLAM person, member of the Chapter
If it matters, if you have read the MoA or the Chapters agreement of the
Wikimedia India Chapter or most of the chapters, the Foundation and
Chapters are independent organizations. Wikimedia Foundation is NOT a
parent organization of the Wikimedia India Chapter.
IMHO, It would be only a conflict
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
tinucher...@gmail.comwrote:
If it matters, if you have read the MoA or the Chapters agreement of the
Wikimedia India Chapter or most of the chapters, the Foundation and
Chapters are independent organizations. Wikimedia Foundation is NOT a
Tinu,
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
tinucher...@gmail.comwrote:
If it matters, if you have read the MoA or the Chapters agreement of the
Wikimedia India Chapter or most of the chapters, the Foundation and
Chapters are independent organizations. Wikimedia Foundation is
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
Tinu,
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com
wrote:
If it matters, if you have read the MoA or the Chapters agreement of the
Wikimedia India Chapter or most of the chapters, the
hi,
To set us back a bit, the discussion was originally centered on
volunteer-staff relationship.
Pradeep
Handheld
On 07/03/2012, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
Tinu,
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
tinucher...@gmail.comwrote:
If it matters, if you have read
And to add
That is why they have two accounts and rather large disclaimers on their
user pages, demarcating this very difference.
This is only possible in virtual worlds, while editing Wikipedia or writing
mails. Not in real life work !
I cannot have one face or voice when I am acting as board
Errm Theo,
Do remember that the India TRUST is DIFFERENT form the Chapter. It is from
the WMF side and has absolutely NO relation with the Chapter.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:14 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
tinucher...@gmail.comwrote:
You are a long time community member, you were working as Wikimedia
Foundation paid contractor for some time, does that mean all the volunteer
work you would have done before/after or during being a full time and
On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Anirudh Bhati wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Nothing is conducted solely by India Program - and hence I said supported.
Everything is conducted by the community - sometimes under the aegis of the
Chapter and
From the mail Hisham sent out a looong time ago, it seemed like an
independent entity.
Besides, do Indian laws permit for either a society or a trust to be a
subsidiary of another organisation?
I don't think so, but I leave it for The lawyer [Anirudh/ Gautam] to
respond.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at
On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Anirudh Bhati wrote:
We will discuss overlapping roles and notify the community about our
decision.
Who is we?
hisham___
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:11 PM, Anirudh Bhati wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Nothing is conducted solely by India Program - and hence I said
supported. Everything is conducted by
Theo,
* Err... I have no idea who or what implied that. *
I am referring to your previous full time and paid work for the Wikimedia
Foundation 2010-2011
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_contractors#Individuals
*
I don't think anyone said anything to that effect so far. *
Dear Anirudh,
Can you elaborate as to what you meant by we ?
-TC
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Anirudh Bhati wrote:
We will discuss overlapping roles and notify the community about our
decision.
Who is we?
hisham
Tinu, respectfully, your argument for inability to segregate roles does not
hold water.
In the mean, cold harsh world of legalese, things like demarcation of
roles, disclosures, incompatibility of holding conflicting appointments,
having code of ethics are all normal and these instruments in fact
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
tinucher...@gmail.comwrote:
Theo,
* Err... I have no idea who or what implied that. *
I am referring to your previous full time and paid work for the Wikimedia
Foundation 2010-2011
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:24 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
tinucher...@gmail.comwrote:
Theo,
* Err... I have no idea who or what implied that. *
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:38 PM, CherianTinu Abraham tinucher...@gmail.com
wrote:
You are a long time community member, you were working as Wikimedia
Right on, Pradeep!
Hence my detailed views on my own responsibility as WikiProject India lead.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
--
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com
wrote:
hi,
I also think a similar
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 15:45, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, as long as I am not signing off with my official credentials at the
end of the email, I am only expressing personal opinion. For instance, I
wouldn't claim that Shiju's indisposition towards me is the official
*
*Dear Anirudh,*
**Also, as long as I am not signing off with my official credentials at
the end of the email, I am only expressing personal opinion. *
*We will discuss overlapping roles and notify the community about our
decision.*
*I referred to we as in the Executive Committee of the WMIN.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Tinu Cherian tinucher...@wikimedia.inwrote:
*
*Dear Anirudh,*
**Also, as long as I am not signing off with my official credentials at
the end of the email, I am only expressing personal opinion. *
*We will discuss overlapping roles and notify the community
*57 mails to define the effort, for me be it voluntary/paid, effort for a
good cause is priceless, and the precious time everyone wasted could have
been utilized (not to be considered as a free gyan!) for something
constructive rather than this defensing act which will result just nothing,
the
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote:
Shiju, you and Subhashish have been volunteers but now you are paid
contractors hired by the Foundation. Any work you do within the purview of
your contractual relationship with the Foundation will be work as a paid
.
Regards
JyotiPrakash Nath
SSL-Guwahati
+919864917706
From: Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia India Community list wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2012 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Community
Jyoti. this is brilliant indeed. I agree, community support is
something we expect from the foundation. Nitika helped me a lot last
month for a meetup.
Hari, if your mail was about Trust vs Society, I'm with you.
Shiju, as an English Wikipedia editor, I stand by Anirudh, his edits,
his role in
Hi,
Let me take the focus of discussions back to the report/s where it all started.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mar 7, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote:
In retrospect, I also understand the need for seperating the Foundation
activities as
I would like to add here that Nitika's Subashish's presentation was a
great one for me to customise with my slides. I strongly recommend that
rather than recreate the wheel their presentation be used by all those
planning English language outreach. One of the things IP has done right.
Now I
Hi Sudhanwa,
FYI, a report was sent by Wasim to this mailing list on the 6th of Feb.[1].
[1].
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2012-February/006810.html
Regards,
Pratik Lahoti.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar
sudhanwa@gmail.comwrote:
Hi,
This
I'm starting a monthly update on India Program activities. The report for
February is posted here. I hope you find it useful. Please do add comments on
the discussion page, or on this mail trail, or offlist to me.
Many thanks.
hisham___
: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Community Monthly Report: Feb 2012
I'm starting a monthly update on India Program activities. The report for
February is posted here. I hope you find it useful. Please do add comments on
the discussion page, or on this mail trail, or offlist to me.
Many thanks.
hisham
On Mar 7, 2012, at 12:12 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com
wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
Im a bit confused. IIRC, for the Trichy event, the Chapter signed an MoU,
which means it was a chapter outreach session which India Programs may have
supported (correct me if I am wrong).
Hisham,
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Community Monthly Report: Feb
2012
I'm starting a monthly update on India Program activities. The report for
February is posted
herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Reports/Community_Monthly_Reports/Feb_2012.
I hope you find it useful
they conducted x events, which will overlap with one and other, thus
not giving a clear picture of who conducted how many events.
From: his...@wikimedia.org
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:06:10 +0530
To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Community Monthly
: [Wikimediaindia-l] India Program: Community Monthly Report: Feb
2012
I'm starting a monthly update on India Program activities. The report for
February is posted here. I hope you find it useful. Please do add comments
on the discussion page, or on this mail trail, or offlist to me
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Hisham his...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Nothing is conducted solely by India Program - and hence I said
supported. Everything is conducted by the community - sometimes under
the aegis of the Chapter and sometimes independently. The support that we
have provided
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