Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-05-02 Thread Ravishankar
Hoi Gerard, The disucssion in the mail thread is about cost / benefit comparison of two similar outreach events 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Wiki-Data_India_Marathon and 2.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-05-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Ravi, I am not a professional. I am a volunteer. Thanks, GerardM On 2 May 2014 09:47, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi Gerard, The disucssion in the mail thread is about cost / benefit comparison of two similar outreach events 1.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-05-02 Thread Ravishankar
Gerard, I am aware that you have been largely a volunteer except for a brieft part time stint with WMF some time before. And, I have already appreciated your work in WikiData and TranslateWiki as a volunteer. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-05-02 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Aren't we all volunteers here? Atleast the ones not getting paid? On 2 May 2014 14:15, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Ravi, I am not a professional. I am a volunteer. Thanks, GerardM On 2 May 2014 09:47, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi Gerard,

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-05-01 Thread Dhaval S. Vyas
Hi Gerard, The discussion, if I am not mistaking, is on paid staffs from India involved with indic wiki, while you're replying with your experience of Netherland and also admit that you have no Idea of it in Indian context. Do you think that your reply here does help readers in getting the issue

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-30 Thread Ravishankar
Hi Vishnu, Thanks for identifying the resource person and providing the rationale for inviting him. Hoi Gerard, When I was discussing about a fundamental issue of WMF intervention in India spoiling community dynamics, you came out of nowhere and questioned my bias. Then you went on giving

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-30 Thread Vishnu
Dear Ravi, On Wednesday 30 April 2014 01:12 PM, Ravishankar wrote: But, when an unusually high amount is spent on a resource person through CIS-A2K, I can't help point out the double standards followed for similar programs planned by WMIN. Please check

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-30 Thread Ravishankar
Vishnu, Volunteers come and volunteers go. That is the nature of the movement. Do you propose to build a better Wikipedia with paid staff? Please try. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Ravi, When I observe the activities of the Dutch chapter I find that they take up things that volunteers are not able to. They are things that are often complex and take a large network. What the Dutch chapter does for GLAM is much more than reaching out to individual GLAM institutions. It takes

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-30 Thread Karthik Nadar
Hi Gerard, / It takes a full time effort of very dedicated people. I understand two points from this: 1. Either you say that the volunteer community here is not dedicated?? 2. Or either the paid community is not dedicated. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm, that's because you are going

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I am saying neither. When I describe the efforts by the paid staff of the Dutch chapter, I find that they are really dedicated and deal with complex issues where many people and organisations are involved. It takes a deep understanding and availability in time and is very much supportive of

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-30 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Volunteers are equally dedicated, if not more, than paid employees. I've known people who have traveled long distances at their own expense to hold workshopa and other events. Rarely have I seen a paid employee work with the same efficiency. On May 1, 2014 1:40 AM, Gerard Meijssen

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-25 Thread Vishnu
Dear Ravi, Please see no. 9 on Meta here [1] where we discussed the potential benefits of Wikidata for Indic projects. In addition to this, I would like to give a broader context and background for this program, which will also help answer some of your concerns. As the community well knows

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-24 Thread Ravishankar
Hoi Gerard, Vishnu Who is the resource person for this Wiki Data Marathon program? Let me continue discussing after I get answer for this simple and straight forward question. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

[Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-23 Thread Ravishankar
Hoi Gerard, ( Context for others: Please see * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Wiki-Data_India_Marathon *

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Proposed Wiki Data Marathon program by CIS-A2K

2014-04-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The point I made and the point that I make again. You did not ask, you do not know and you consider your opinion to be of paramount importance. In stead of asking you go from a fixed point of view that are limited and denounce a plan because everything has to be done elsewhere first to be