[Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :)
Anirudh: > Hopefully, the under-reported page views issue will be resolved soon! I rcvd notice server overload has been contained. It will take some time to patch data from last weeks. Underreporting is much less severe than in previous incident, maybe 5% for November 2010. For permanent solution the whole traffic log infrastructure needs overhaul. Different software will allow distribution of load over several servers. Nimish Gautam is working on this, but this is a major change and may takes several months. -- Ravi: > http://bit.ly/gdH21O Thanks. I very much like this reach metric, should make it a wikistats table for all languages some day. -- Ravi: > Do we have such region wide stats for other Wikimedia projects like Wiki source, Wiktionary also? That will be helpful too. Shiju Alex: > Here is another request from Indian language wikimedians to create region wise report for sister projects also. Point taken (the question was actually to be expected). I will need to find a little time to do this. -- Sundar: > Shall we expand the list to include the remaining South Asian languages under the title "Wikipedia Statistics - South Asia"? I will wait for consensus to arrive. How many languages would that add to the list? Also it could complicate matters some day when number of speakers per language for the region would be factored in. Somehow Wikipedia knows secondary language speakers on a global level for most languages, but per country/region?! I expect quality of census data will differ per country. Does census even measure secondary language speakers? -- Achal: > is there any way you can easily and comprehensibly integrate India edits and readership to EN on the India page? Gerard: > Including English on the page for India only makes sense when the traffic is the traffic generated for the English Wikipedia in India. Achal: > Yes Gerard, I assumed it was obvious that we're talking about India-based traffic and edits to EN I added EN today, which makes this report consistent with other region reports. It would indeed be nice to extend or modify or provide as alternate view following reports, based on view and edit counts solely from the region, http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/Sitemap.htm Doing this for full report would require significant update in data collection and presentation layer, for which resources are currently not available. I could start with an extra row or column (depending on the report), for share of views/edits from the region. That kind of info is already collected and used on http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryBr eakdown.htm http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerLanguageB reakdown.htm But even this will take a while, for three reasons: 1 Other priorities 2 Both data streams (per country breakdown of views and edits, monthly page views per wiki) are entirely different processes. Different data sources, different servers, different accuracy, different periodicity of jobs. One process is fully automated, the other not quite yet. 3 While current sampling rate of squid logs is quite satisfactory for page views, it is really too low for accurate breakdown of edits per country per language. This is under consideration and will be improved. Erik Zachte ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :)
While at it, should the title be changed to something more accurate? Since the list includes Nepali (also the official language of Nepal), Bangla (the national language of Bangladesh, a bulk of edits come from there), Tamil (an official language of Sri Lanka, also a source of a significant number of edits), and Sinhala (one of the official languages of Sri Lanka and not spoken in India to my knowledge), shall we expand the list to include the remaining South Asian languages under the title "Wikipedia Statistics - South Asia"? - Sundar "That language is an instrument of human reason, and not merely a medium for the expression of thought, is a truth generally admitted." - George Boole, quoted in Iverson's Turing Award Lecture > >From: Achal Prabhala >To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >Sent: Wed, November 24, 2010 8:03:23 PM >Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :) > >Yes Gerard, I assumed it was obvious that we're talking about India-based >traffic and edits to EN - the information is reported on the main stats page, >my >point was simply that it would be interesting to see in the same table (though >we're measuring slightly different things, since the Indian language Wikipedia >stats are not based on geographical origin but destination). >___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :)
Yes Gerard, I assumed it was obvious that we're talking about India-based traffic and edits to EN - the information is reported on the main stats page, my point was simply that it would be interesting to see in the same table (though we're measuring slightly different things, since the Indian language Wikipedia stats are not based on geographical origin but destination). ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :)
Hoi, Including English on the page for India only makes sense when the traffic is the traffic generated for the English Wikipedia in India. When the other languages have to compete with the world wide audience, the information is not really relevant. Thanks, GerardM On 24 November 2010 08:21, Achal Prabhala wrote: > This is invaluable - thank you Erik, and thanks Gerard for bringing it to > attention. > > Erik, I know that you report geographic trends on EN on the main stats > page, is there any way you can easily and comprehensibly integrate India > edits and readership to EN on the India page? That would be very helpful, > esp. as it probably dominates all other Indian languages currently (and > since English is an official Indian language too). > > Also, Shiju has been putting out India stats for some time now, and (Shiju) > perhaps you can share/integrate what you do, in terms of depth, article > quality and editorship with this information - perhaps you can have a > conversation with Erik about this. > > Good wishes, > Achal > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :)
Good work Shiju, Erik. Do we have such region wise stats for other Wikimedia projects like Wiki source, Wiktionary also? That will be helpful too. Regards, Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :)
> > Also, Shiju has been putting out India stats for some time now, and (Shiju) > perhaps you can share/integrate what you do, in terms of depth, article > quality and editorship with this information - perhaps you can have a > conversation with Erik about this. > This report is a subset of the report that is already available at http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm But it is real pain to filter and take the information of only those languages that we want (in our case, it is Indian language wikis). In fact I was preparing my monthly report like that only (using the above link) for the past 3 years. When I went to Gdansk to attend Wikimania 2010, I met Erik Zachte and we discussed various topics related to his wonderful site and statistical reports. During discussion, I mentioned the about the above issue with him. This special report for Indian languages came out as a result of that conversation with Erik. He published a post regarding this at http://infodisiac.com/blog/2010/11/wikipedia-reports-filtered-by-region/ I am happy that he remembered my request and implemented it. Article quality, page views, edits per article, number of active users, and so on are part of this new report also. http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/Sitemap.htm Shiju On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:21 AM, Achal Prabhala wrote: > This is invaluable - thank you Erik, and thanks Gerard for bringing it to > attention. > > Erik, I know that you report geographic trends on EN on the main stats > page, is there any way you can easily and comprehensibly integrate India > edits and readership to EN on the India page? That would be very helpful, > esp. as it probably dominates all other Indian languages currently (and > since English is an official Indian language too). > > Also, Shiju has been putting out India stats for some time now, and (Shiju) > perhaps you can share/integrate what you do, in terms of depth, article > quality and editorship with this information - perhaps you can have a > conversation with Erik about this. > > Good wishes, > Achal > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :)
This is invaluable - thank you Erik, and thanks Gerard for bringing it to attention. Erik, I know that you report geographic trends on EN on the main stats page, is there any way you can easily and comprehensibly integrate India edits and readership to EN on the India page? That would be very helpful, esp. as it probably dominates all other Indian languages currently (and since English is an official Indian language too). Also, Shiju has been putting out India stats for some time now, and (Shiju) perhaps you can share/integrate what you do, in terms of depth, article quality and editorship with this information - perhaps you can have a conversation with Erik about this. Good wishes, Achal ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :)
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > I just learned that Erik has created a special version of the traffic > statistics for India. > http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm > This is great stuff, Gerard! Many thanks to Erik Zachte on the behalf of the Indian community. :) Hopefully, the under-reported pageviews issue will be resolved soon! Thanks for posting. anirudh > > ___ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l > > ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
[Wikimediaindia-l] You will love Erik Zachte for this :)
Hoi, I just learned that Erik has created a special version of the traffic statistics for India. http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN_India/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm When I look at the numbers, I do not understand why Malayalam is doing so poorly. It is not that it has a limited number of viewers, it is that it has gone down so much. This is also true for other Wikipedias. What is happening and, more importantly what can be done about it ??? Thanks, Gerard ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
