Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Gautam John
Dear Anivar: There are Four Components Thanks for the addendum - how important is the rendering engine in the scheme of things? Is work on that pretty much done or are there issues there too? It is Font dependent. There is a need of Preparing Conversion maps for each Ascii font to convert

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Anivar Aravind
On 2/23/11, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: Dear Anivar: There are Four Components Thanks for the addendum - how important is the rendering engine in the scheme of things? Is work on that pretty much done or are there issues there too? If your language have some errors in

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Nikhil Sheth
Great discussion, but I wonder why I didn't see any real, easy, doable, inexpensive, quickfix solution put forth that every Indian on the internet can begin using immediately to get around the Unicode Vs custom Fonts issue. So here's some from me: 1. Quick copy-paste, working with a net

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread sankarshan
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Nikhil Sheth nikhil...@gmail.com wrote: Great discussion, but I wonder why I didn't see any real, easy, doable, inexpensive, quickfix solution put forth that every Indian on the internet can begin using immediately to get around the Unicode Vs custom Fonts

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Shiju Alex
This discussion is not at all about input methods. I do not know why a sudden comparison between transliteration vs. InScript came here. Looking at all the solutions you provided, let me ask one thing. Have you really actively contributed/contributing to any Indian language wikipedia. A survey

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Anivar Aravind
On 2/24/11, Nikhil Sheth nikhil...@gmail.com wrote: Great discussion, but I wonder why I didn't see any real, easy, doable, inexpensive, quickfix solution put forth that every Indian on the internet can begin using immediately to get around the Unicode Vs custom Fonts issue. Hey, What you are

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Gautam John
Thank you, once again, Anivar. Rendering Engines like Pango evolved through more than 10 years of patching correction by language communities. It work Pretty well in most of the indic languages. That's a relief! Now For latin script wiki's there is PDF download option Pediapress to print

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread sankarshan
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote: The Discussion here was not only about Input methods. It is about Encoding , Rendering Fonts, which is the underlying technology which enable input methods to work Also just a friendly request to understand

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Gautam John
On 24 February 2011 09:15, Nikhil Sheth nikhil...@gmail.com wrote: Great discussion, but I wonder why I didn't see any real, easy, doable, inexpensive, quickfix solution put forth that every Indian on the internet can begin using immediately to get around the Unicode Vs custom Fonts issue.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Gautam John
On 24 February 2011 09:21, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: And, looking at all this discussion I now wish that I submitted a 'state of Indic' paper at some conference happening currently ;) Oh but you should! I would learn much from it and I am sure everyone else will learn

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread sankarshan
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:51 AM, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote: CDACMumbai have a history of GPL Licensing one font series as a part of their indix project  , Raghu Series, by Late. Prof. R.K.Joshi, Famous Calligrapher and Researcher in Type faces.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Gautam John
Two things I meant to add: 1. The eGov standards body for India has recently notified Unicode 5.1.0 as the default standard for all eGov applications henceforth. (Sadly, their website is DoA - http://egovstandards.gov.in/) I am hopeful that this will be the start of some initiative within

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Shiju Alex
Even though Central Government has adopted Unicode as the encoding standard, the case is not the same with most State Governments. As far as I know only few state goverments (Tamil Nadu, Punjab, Kerala,...) had adopted Unicode standard. Many are still in the ASCII era. On input methods - is there

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
On input methods - is there anything of a best practice or even a Government notification about an input standard? In Tamil Nadu, the govt recommends and endorses the Tamil 99 keyboard layout. On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.comwrote: Even though Central

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Gautam John
On 24 February 2011 10:12, Shiju Alex shijualexonl...@gmail.com wrote: Even though Central Government has adopted Unicode as the encoding standard, the case is not the same with most State Governments. As far as I know only few state goverments (Tamil Nadu, Punjab, Kerala,...) had adopted

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread jayanta nath
In West Bengal there are no Govt announcement regarding Unicode and KB layout.Our Govt are still in the ASCII era in all department. But they adopted Unicode by *Society for Natural Language Technology Research* (NLTR) (http://www.nltr.org/) and released Baishakhi Linux

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Anivar Aravind
Dear sankarshan Initial license of raghu font series was confusing. But later they changed it to gnu gpl, as per the insistance of RK joshi. Gnu gpl licensed fonts were released as a part of Indix project of cdacmumbai. Anivar On 2/24/11, sankarshan foss.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu,

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-23 Thread Gautam John
On 24 February 2011 11:36, Anivar Aravind anivar.arav...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for those links. I am aware about that. But not get enough time to read it yet. But are you sure, it specified unicode 5.1 . I am curious becuase new rupee symbol getting encoded only in unicode 6.1. Usually govt

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-22 Thread Santhosh Thottingal
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: 2. Given that we publish in Indian languages, using Unicode fonts are the only way to achieve cross-platform interoperability and is a global standard. 3. Given India's push towards copyright reform for the print

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-22 Thread Santhosh Thottingal
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: Data usage: Use of Unicode will significantly reduce bandwidth/storage This is technically wrong if we are comparing with ASCII encoded data. If you read the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode article, you can

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-22 Thread Gautam John
On 22 February 2011 22:29, Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com wrote: I think you have some confusion on Unicode and Fonts. Let me try to clarify in simple words. Yes - I did! And thank you for such a detailed response. To see if I have understood this - there are three

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-22 Thread Anivar Aravind
On 2/22/11, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: On 22 February 2011 22:29, Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottin...@gmail.com wrote: I think you have some confusion on Unicode and Fonts. Let me try to clarify in simple words. Yes - I did! And thank you for such a detailed response.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-16 Thread Gautam John
On 17 February 2011 11:29, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: I'm trying to bring together some ideas as to why Unicode is important, what the upsides and downsides are. My initial thoughts: A few other points that I read here: http://anandabazar-unicode.appspot.com/ Data usage: Use

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] (OT) On the importance of Unicode

2011-02-16 Thread Gautam John
On 17 February 2011 12:35, BalaSundaraRaman sundarbe...@yahoo.com wrote: I have some points to share, but got to go back to work now. Can I get back on this later? Sure, Sundar! No hurry. Thank you. Best, Gautam http://social.prathambooks.org/