Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WikiConference-India 2011] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Withdrawal of Pune community - Re : Pune community

2011-09-19 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:25, Mandar Kulkarni wrote:

>  Dear Pradeep,
>
> Thank you very much for your email and appreciating that Pune Community has
> done some work for the wiki-conference in last 2-3 months. We have not
> stopped people to participate individually in the conference activities.
>

Please Please Read the mails posted on the list before. STOP on this thread.

Next time some one "discusses" Conference topics on India list, I am going
to put them on moderation.

This thread is closed. STOP replying.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WikiConference-India 2011] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Withdrawal of Pune community - Re : Pune community

2011-09-19 Thread Mandar Kulkarni 
Dear Pradeep,
 
Thank you very much for your email and appreciating that Pune Community has 
done some work for the wiki-conference in last 2-3 months. We have not stopped 
people to participate individually in the conference activities.
 
There are quite a few requests from many members to us to participate in the 
conference itself (on conference dates). We also feel that we all would 
love attend the conference and we are eager for that as this is the 1st 
conference happening in Maharashtra. But the decision of Pune members attending 
the wiki conference looks now more or less a individual decision. At present, 
we really do not have data how many members have applied for scholarship and 
how many got it. We also need to understand that if he/she do not get the 
scholarship and wish to attend the conference, then staying in Mumbai for 3-4 
days, travel from Pune to Mumbai & back and spend on food and local logistics 
is a sizable expenditure for an individual. It is the decision of scholarship 
team to confirm to the individuals for selection for scholarship so that at 
least those people can definitely participate in the conference.
 
I hope, this communication will be taken in the positive spirit and will not 
have any impact on Conference work. We wish our BEST wishes for the conference.
 
With Regards,

Mandar V. Kulkarni

From: Pradeep Mohandas 
>To: WikiConference India 2011 ; 
>Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. 
>
>Cc: Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in Mumbai-India 
>; Wikipedia Pune Mailing List 
>
>Sent: Monday, 19 September 2011, 22:09
>Subject: Re: [WikiConference-India 2011] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Withdrawal of Pune 
>community - Re : [Wikimediaindia-l] Pune community
>
>
>Dear Mandar and the Pune community,
>
>I'm writing this email on behalf of Pranav, myself and everyone else in the 
>Mumbai Community. We are really sorry that Pune has pulled out of being 
>co-hosts. In this email, we wanted to apologise for our contribution in your 
>making this decision and acknowledge the effort that the Pune community has 
>put in into this Conference.
>
>We feel bad that the situation has come to this. It is not fair for only one 
>party to take the blame for making such a decision. For all the faults that we 
>may have committed knowingly or unknowingly, “Sorry”.
>
>At this point, it will be unfair if we did not acknowledge the role that Pune 
>has played in bringing the Conference to this point. Let me re-assert that the 
>Conference would not have taken off without the help of the Pune community. 
>For everything that you have done, please accept our heartfelt “Thank you”.
>
>We also want to say that we need a lot of help in taking forward the 
>conference and we do hope that the Pune community will be involved in any and 
>every capacity they choose for the conference.
>
>Warm regards,
>Pradeep Mohandas
>
>
>On 19 September 2011 17:36, Shekhar Krishnan  wrote:
>
>In the meeting this Saturday we officially recorded the deep regret of
>>everyone present at the withdrawal of the Pune community from the
>>conference organisation.
>>
>>What is more regretful is that no explanation was given for this drastic
>>step, and no open discussion took place on the issues which led to this
>>split. While the policy questions about the composition of working
>>groups, and scholarships and hosting for volunteers were resolved, it
>>seems personal disagreements still linger.
>>
>>We are already quite thin on the ground in Mumbai, and need more
>>volunteers and enthusiasts for the conference to be successful. For
>>Mumbai's sister city of Pune to secede at this nascent stage in the
>>formation of the all-India Wikipedia movement is indeed sad.
>>
>>At our meeting on Saturday, we discussed these points, and how we can
>>strengthen the working group by assigning official Points of Contact
>>(PoC) in every team/committee. For each team there will be a "backup"
>>PoC if the main PoC cannot attend weekly online meetings, and devote
>>time to their organisational duties.
>>
>>This conference needs all the help it can get. Certain teams
>>(logistics/venue, technical/IT, party/fun) will benefit from PoCs based
>>in Mumbai, but all working groups can benefit from participation by
>>Wikipedians anywhere in India, including Pune.
>>
>>
>>
>>S.K.
>>
>>
>>On 09/18/2011 05:12 PM, Kundan Amitabh wrote:
>>> Hi !
>>>
>>> We regret the withdrawal of Pune community from the organisation of the
>>> conference and sincerely hope that this will not affect their
>>> continuing participation in the conference itself.
>>>
>>> Best Regards.
>>>
>>> Kundan Amitabh
>>> Managing Director,
>>> Ang India Technologies,
>>> www.angindia.co 
>>
>>> ==
>>> 976888 / 9869478444
>>> ==
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:42:54 +0100 (BST)
>>> From: Mandar Kulkarni >>

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WikiConference-India 2011] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Withdrawal of Pune community - Re : Pune community

2011-09-19 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan 
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 22:30, Shekhar Krishnan  wrote:

> Why can't we work together? Please explain and discuss.
>
> Best,
>

Shekhar,
Can we take this discussion out of India list, Some have already protested
against the use of India list for Conference related discussions unless its
an announcement.  This can still be discussed within Mumbai / Pune mailing
lists, if need be the Conference list.

All,
Whoever is replying to the email by Shekhar, please please remove India list
from it. Lets not spam people out.

General notice,
Unless the reply to any mail which is crossposted across lists is relevant
to people on any of the crossposted list, Can we please take a extra second
in removing them off instead of just doing a reply-to-all blindly. This will
make life of so many people better :)

Thanks for your understanding.

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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WikiConference-India 2011] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Withdrawal of Pune community - Re : Pune community

2011-09-19 Thread Ashwin Baindur 
Thank you Pradeep for the sentiments. It is indeed sad that we could not
work together but our mutual respect continues and indeed we continue to
support the WikiConference. Individual members of the Pune community
continue to work in their individual capacities. We are confident that with
effort of Mumbai community supported by all Indian Wikimedians including
friends from abroad, the Conference will be a great success.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Mandar and the Pune community,
>
> I'm writing this email on behalf of Pranav, myself and everyone else in the
> Mumbai Community. We are really sorry that Pune has pulled out of being
> co-hosts. In this email, we wanted to apologise for our contribution in your
> making this decision and acknowledge the effort that the Pune community has
> put in into this Conference.
>
> We feel bad that the situation has come to this. It is not fair for only
> one party to take the blame for making such a decision. For all the faults
> that we may have committed knowingly or unknowingly, “Sorry”.
>
> At this point, it will be unfair if we did not acknowledge the role that
> Pune has played in bringing the Conference to this point. Let me re-assert
> that the Conference would not have taken off without the help of the Pune
> community. For everything that you have done, please accept our heartfelt
> “Thank you”.
>
> We also want to say that we need a lot of help in taking forward the
> conference and we do hope that the Pune community will be involved in any
> and every capacity they choose for the conference.
>
> Warm regards,
> Pradeep Mohandas
>
> On 19 September 2011 17:36, Shekhar Krishnan  wrote:
>
>> In the meeting this Saturday we officially recorded the deep regret of
>> everyone present at the withdrawal of the Pune community from the
>> conference organisation.
>>
>> What is more regretful is that no explanation was given for this drastic
>> step, and no open discussion took place on the issues which led to this
>> split. While the policy questions about the composition of working
>> groups, and scholarships and hosting for volunteers were resolved, it
>> seems personal disagreements still linger.
>>
>> We are already quite thin on the ground in Mumbai, and need more
>> volunteers and enthusiasts for the conference to be successful. For
>> Mumbai's sister city of Pune to secede at this nascent stage in the
>> formation of the all-India Wikipedia movement is indeed sad.
>>
>> At our meeting on Saturday, we discussed these points, and how we can
>> strengthen the working group by assigning official Points of Contact
>> (PoC) in every team/committee. For each team there will be a "backup"
>> PoC if the main PoC cannot attend weekly online meetings, and devote
>> time to their organisational duties.
>>
>> This conference needs all the help it can get. Certain teams
>> (logistics/venue, technical/IT, party/fun) will benefit from PoCs based
>> in Mumbai, but all working groups can benefit from participation by
>> Wikipedians anywhere in India, including Pune.
>>
>>
>>
>> S.K.
>>
>>
>> On 09/18/2011 05:12 PM, Kundan Amitabh wrote:
>> > Hi !
>> >
>> > We regret the withdrawal of Pune community from the organisation of the
>> > conference and sincerely hope that this will not affect their
>> > continuing participation in the conference itself.
>> >
>> > Best Regards.
>> >
>> > Kundan Amitabh
>> > Managing Director,
>> > Ang India Technologies,
>> > www.angindia.co 
>>
>> > ==
>> > 976888 / 9869478444
>> > ==
>> >
>> > ---
>> >
>> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:42:54 +0100 (BST)
>> > From: Mandar Kulkarni > > >
>>
>> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pune community
>> > To: Wikimedia India Community list
>> > > > >,
>>
>> > "wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
>> > "
>>
>> > > > >
>>
>> > Message-ID:
>> > <1316184174.35491.yahoomail...@web24004.mail.ird.yahoo.com
>> > >
>>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear All,
>> >
>> > This to formally communicate to all that Pune wikipedians are
>> > withdrawing from the co-hosting of the Conference due to the differences
>> > came in?Mumbai
>> > and Pune communities and many other unresolved?issues.
>> >
>> > For your information pls.
>> >
>> > With Regards,
>> >
>> > Mandar V. Kulkarni
>> > -
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] [WikiConference-India 2011] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Withdrawal of Pune community - Re : Pune community

2011-09-19 Thread Pradeep Mohandas 
Dear Mandar and the Pune community,

I'm writing this email on behalf of Pranav, myself and everyone else in the
Mumbai Community. We are really sorry that Pune has pulled out of being
co-hosts. In this email, we wanted to apologise for our contribution in your
making this decision and acknowledge the effort that the Pune community has
put in into this Conference.

We feel bad that the situation has come to this. It is not fair for only one
party to take the blame for making such a decision. For all the faults that
we may have committed knowingly or unknowingly, “Sorry”.

At this point, it will be unfair if we did not acknowledge the role that
Pune has played in bringing the Conference to this point. Let me re-assert
that the Conference would not have taken off without the help of the Pune
community. For everything that you have done, please accept our heartfelt
“Thank you”.

We also want to say that we need a lot of help in taking forward the
conference and we do hope that the Pune community will be involved in any
and every capacity they choose for the conference.

Warm regards,
Pradeep Mohandas

On 19 September 2011 17:36, Shekhar Krishnan  wrote:

> In the meeting this Saturday we officially recorded the deep regret of
> everyone present at the withdrawal of the Pune community from the
> conference organisation.
>
> What is more regretful is that no explanation was given for this drastic
> step, and no open discussion took place on the issues which led to this
> split. While the policy questions about the composition of working
> groups, and scholarships and hosting for volunteers were resolved, it
> seems personal disagreements still linger.
>
> We are already quite thin on the ground in Mumbai, and need more
> volunteers and enthusiasts for the conference to be successful. For
> Mumbai's sister city of Pune to secede at this nascent stage in the
> formation of the all-India Wikipedia movement is indeed sad.
>
> At our meeting on Saturday, we discussed these points, and how we can
> strengthen the working group by assigning official Points of Contact
> (PoC) in every team/committee. For each team there will be a "backup"
> PoC if the main PoC cannot attend weekly online meetings, and devote
> time to their organisational duties.
>
> This conference needs all the help it can get. Certain teams
> (logistics/venue, technical/IT, party/fun) will benefit from PoCs based
> in Mumbai, but all working groups can benefit from participation by
> Wikipedians anywhere in India, including Pune.
>
>
>
> S.K.
>
> On 09/18/2011 05:12 PM, Kundan Amitabh wrote:
> > Hi !
> >
> > We regret the withdrawal of Pune community from the organisation of the
> > conference and sincerely hope that this will not affect their
> > continuing participation in the conference itself.
> >
> > Best Regards.
> >
> > Kundan Amitabh
> > Managing Director,
> > Ang India Technologies,
> > www.angindia.co 
> > ==
> > 976888 / 9869478444
> > ==
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:42:54 +0100 (BST)
> > From: Mandar Kulkarni  > >
> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pune community
> > To: Wikimedia India Community list
> >  > >,
> > "wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > "
> >  > >
> > Message-ID:
> > <1316184174.35491.yahoomail...@web24004.mail.ird.yahoo.com
> > >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > This to formally communicate to all that Pune wikipedians are
> > withdrawing from the co-hosting of the Conference due to the differences
> > came in?Mumbai
> > and Pune communities and many other unresolved?issues.
> >
> > For your information pls.
> >
> > With Regards,
> >
> > Mandar V. Kulkarni
> > -
> >
> >
> >
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