Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
You sound like you had a bad deal with the Chapter.Did you try and blackmail them or did the chapter NOT pay you any money? The way you are targeting them makes it very apparent.Yes, the Chapter did mislead the community.Their aim is to promote and support Wikimedia projects and open access in the country.They supported your Wikimedia India Summit in January. I'm sure with the current board members, they would not have supported you blindly. There would have been a compromise.Where did YOU get money for such an event from?There was no grant application on Meta, or the Chapter wiki. From: i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:46:41 +0530 To: wikimedia-in-e...@lists.wikimedia.org CC: wmin-memb...@googlegroups.com; wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community! Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!) Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept everyone in dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole mailing list on a ride! Why it is important? This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter financially whenever needed. (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so). So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for outreach/activities. Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are your representation! Either consult community before lying or speak (complete) truth. Here is response from Sunil,CIS - This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us. From Sunil's mail it is clear that Sunil extended the offer in good-faith, unaware of Chapter-Board meeting falling at the same time. However Chapter also seems to have taken this opportunity and is now shy to accept. I don't understand why? And why CIS was also kept in dark? CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees. Along with 'air Travel', CIS is providing accommodation too. And Last sentence about fee budget is interesting. If Chapter is expecting public support for fundraising and other activities, then it should be more transparent and 'should avoid organized and dedicated efforts to misguide community/keep in dark.' And Hope so CIS takes care of all the remaining Chapter financial needs as
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
-- Forwarded message -- From: rajtago...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community! To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, anirudh...@gmail.com Dear Anirudh and List members, I am forced to send this e-mail because I feel that the Wikimedia Movement in India has hit a new low by moderating its own active member (Abhishek Suryawanshi) on the Wikimedia India mailing list. This is not to say that I agree with Abhishek's tone, but I feel that there is nothing wrong in what he was asking. Few of my concerns: 1) Why does Anirudh respond on behalf of EC and why has the EC not responded to Abhishek/community? Do we assume that the entire EC is acting as sock-puppet of Anirudha? Sorry to ask this but I feel there is too much shadow puppetry happening in the Wikimedia India Chapter. This act of moderation is only an indication of this. I wish the EC comes out clean and Anirudha minds his own business, where ever he is. 2) Initially I felt, probably Anirudh 'felt' like an elder and was concerned. I went in search of what he has done for the Indian Wikimedia movement and realized that there is very less that I could find. There is nothing that you seemed to have contributed to 'Indic' wikipedias. I think someone asked the same question in the past to which there is no answer from you. Please help and redirect to your contribution to Wikipedia India movement. I feel it is much more important that Anirudh be moderated. It would be gracious if he self moderates his actions. Taking the liberty to cross post this to many as I feel this highhanded suppression of 'freedom of expression' be seen seriously by the community. With a hope that Anirudha will avoid taking such repressive steps in future and allows this post reach the WM-India mailing list. Thanks, Rajat On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making unsubstantiated allegations. Sunil has clarified that that the WMF sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new employee(s) of CIS/A2K. This is the sole purpose of funding travel and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else. What the members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they are available in the same city is up to them. If they use this time to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since this way they save some precious chapter funds. Your accusation that the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification. Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account on moderation. If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to send an email to the chapter directly. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
I take strong offense to this mail and see it as an attack on Anirudh, aka Sir Nicholas. He is a senior member of the community, an active editor and administrator on the English Wikipedia, and a founding member of the chapter. One doesn't need Indic contribs to be an Indian Wikipedian. You might want to search again, or use a different search engine. The community hasn't reached any low because of this but because people are busy ranting out her and not contributing or letting others contribute. On 2/18/13, Raj Tagore rajtago...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: rajtago...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community! To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, anirudh...@gmail.com Dear Anirudh and List members, I am forced to send this e-mail because I feel that the Wikimedia Movement in India has hit a new low by moderating its own active member (Abhishek Suryawanshi) on the Wikimedia India mailing list. This is not to say that I agree with Abhishek's tone, but I feel that there is nothing wrong in what he was asking. Few of my concerns: 1) Why does Anirudh respond on behalf of EC and why has the EC not responded to Abhishek/community? Do we assume that the entire EC is acting as sock-puppet of Anirudha? Sorry to ask this but I feel there is too much shadow puppetry happening in the Wikimedia India Chapter. This act of moderation is only an indication of this. I wish the EC comes out clean and Anirudha minds his own business, where ever he is. 2) Initially I felt, probably Anirudh 'felt' like an elder and was concerned. I went in search of what he has done for the Indian Wikimedia movement and realized that there is very less that I could find. There is nothing that you seemed to have contributed to 'Indic' wikipedias. I think someone asked the same question in the past to which there is no answer from you. Please help and redirect to your contribution to Wikipedia India movement. I feel it is much more important that Anirudh be moderated. It would be gracious if he self moderates his actions. Taking the liberty to cross post this to many as I feel this highhanded suppression of 'freedom of expression' be seen seriously by the community. With a hope that Anirudha will avoid taking such repressive steps in future and allows this post reach the WM-India mailing list. Thanks, Rajat On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making unsubstantiated allegations. Sunil has clarified that that the WMF sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new employee(s) of CIS/A2K. This is the sole purpose of funding travel and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else. What the members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they are available in the same city is up to them. If they use this time to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since this way they save some precious chapter funds. Your accusation that the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification. Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account on moderation. If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to send an email to the chapter directly. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new
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I agree with my friend Niranjan Patel. Wont it be better if the *EC directly clarifies all doubts * settle this debate once for all. A concerned Wikimedian Yohann Thomas On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Niranjan Patel patel.nieran...@gmail.comwrote: Looks like Manmohan Singh maintaining silence and Kapil Sibbal giving his best to censor media to keep image clean. *The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions.* I am also unable to find responce/clarification from EC. I can see just you and Sunil@CIS explaining scenario. Please care enough to redirect people to same? Regards, Niranjan Patel Long Live Democracy! On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote: Abhishek, The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making unsubstantiated allegations. Sunil has clarified that that the WMF sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new employee(s) of CIS/A2K. This is the sole purpose of funding travel and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else. What the members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they are available in the same city is up to them. If they use this time to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since this way they save some precious chapter funds. Your accusation that the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification. Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account on moderation. If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to send an email to the chapter directly. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Chapter Misleading Community!
Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!) Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept everyone in dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole mailing list on a ride! Why it is important? This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter financially whenever needed. (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so). So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for outreach/activities. Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are your representation! Either consult community before lying or speak (complete) truth. Here is response from Sunil,CIS - This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and asked for their support us. From Sunil's mail it is clear that Sunil extended the offer in good-faith, unaware of Chapter-Board meeting falling at the same time. However Chapter also seems to have taken this opportunity and is now shy to accept. I don't understand why? And why CIS was also kept in dark? CIS will cover air travel and accommodation for all EC members. CIS will also provide per diem for meals that are not provided during the training. Unfortunately, we don't have a separate budget for fees. Along with 'air Travel', CIS is providing accommodation too. And Last sentence about fee budget is interesting. If Chapter is expecting public support for fundraising and other activities, then it should be more transparent and 'should avoid organized and dedicated efforts to misguide community/keep in dark.' And Hope so CIS takes care of all the remaining
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Dear Abhishek, I am a relatively disinterested party (no implication on others' interest, but certainly from your perspective I am quite disinterested (not uninterested)) in this matter. You have certainly made your point. I (and perhaps many others who have not chosen to respond or engage) have taken in your view on this matter and the implications of what you say. There have been responses from people you have raised issues with and their response is also on record. In the interest of the list discussion remaining useful and healthy, I also request you to desist from raking the same points again and again. Perhaps, if you feel that the responses were not clear enough (or were not sufficient in content), you need to take it up through other channels. The limitations of an email discussion list certainly do not allow for more than this. Regards, Prashanth On 14 February 2013 19:50, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!) Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept everyone in dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole mailing list on a ride! Why it is important? This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter financially whenever needed. (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so). So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for outreach/activities. Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are your representation! Either consult community before lying or speak (complete) truth. Here is response from Sunil,CIS - This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those
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Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.comwrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with CIS training!) Even Chapter President preferred to give out half truth and kept everyone in dark. And there was Secretary and another EC Member to take whole mailing list on a ride! Why it is important? This could be start of new era - Where CIS supports Chapter financially whenever needed. (or in-kind as they did in past and hopefully will continue to do so). So more and more volunteer efforts can be devoted for outreach/activities. Please remember that chapter is representation of the community and works for the community Current scenario gives wrong interpretation and implies that community should not raise questions on transparency because after-all we are your representation! Either consult community before lying or speak (complete) truth. Here is response from Sunil,CIS - This month, we are reimbursing the Chapter EC travel and related expenses because the Chapter EC has kindly consented to support a training programme that CIS is organising for it's A2K team in Bangalore. It is only happy coincidence that they were also organising a meeting in Bangalore during those dates. I was not aware of this when I reached out to the EC and
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Abhishek, The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making unsubstantiated allegations. Sunil has clarified that that the WMF sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new employee(s) of CIS/A2K. This is the sole purpose of funding travel and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else. What the members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they are available in the same city is up to them. If they use this time to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since this way they save some precious chapter funds. Your accusation that the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification. Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account on moderation. If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to send an email to the chapter directly. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for all. Are Chapter EC Members exception to this? On same lines, Another EC Members says - The Chapter is financially accountable to it's MEMBERS, As correctly stated by , Chapter is having money from WMF, Which comes from individual donations. So ideally Chapter should be accountable to the overall community and not just its members, as rightly pointed out by someone Again, What is the need to find excuses for transparency? When there was statement that ''AGM travel expense is covered'' instead of correcting statement and saying, its wrong - and CIS is paying for Board Trip (which is coinciding with
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Looks like Manmohan Singh maintaining silence and Kapil Sibbal giving his best to censor media to keep image clean. *The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions.* I am also unable to find responce/clarification from EC. I can see just you and Sunil@CIS explaining scenario. Please care enough to redirect people to same? Regards, Niranjan Patel Long Live Democracy! On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, The chapter's response has been to ask you to stop making unsubstantiated allegations. Sunil has clarified that that the WMF sponsored A2K programme is funding travel and accommodation of some members of the Wikimedia India Executive Committee for the purpose of a training session in Bangalore organized for the benefit of the new employee(s) of CIS/A2K. This is the sole purpose of funding travel and accommodation from CIS/A2K perspective and nothing else. What the members of the WMIN board decide to do in their spare time while they are available in the same city is up to them. If they use this time to organize a face to face board meeting, all the more better, since this way they save some precious chapter funds. Your accusation that the chapter is misleading the community is a falsification. Since you have chosen to ignore my previous warning and continued to post on the same topic on this mailing list, I have put your account on moderation. If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to send an email to the chapter directly. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Anirudh, Please direct me to the response/clarification from Wikimedia India Executive Committee. Only Sunil has made the whole thing clear and now its only You who is saying - It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. Regards, Abhishek Suryawanshi, On Behalf of Wikipedia Club Pune On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote: Abhishek, I noticed that you have been repetitively raising the same issues over and over again. The members of the Executive Committee of Wikimedia India and Sunil@CIS have already responded to your questions. It is clear to us all that some members of the Executive committee will be travelling to Bangalore in order to train the new employees of CIS on matters pertaining to their new assignments. The Executive Committee has decided to utilize this time when all the members of the board are in the same city together to have a face to face meeting. There is nothing that has been said that goes to prove that CIS regularly funds chapter activities. I have to ask you to please refrain from sending further emails on this topic. If you ignore this warning, I will have to put your account on moderation. Thanks, Anirudh On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Abhishek Suryawanshi i.abhishek.suryawan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Executive Committee, Wikimedia India Chapter. Could you be please be kind enough to clarify, Why EC was/is interested in misguiding mailing list and Indian community? When asked about CIS funding - Executive Committee member wrote : The Chapter has alwaya made things public and will xontinue to do so. If the CIS funds us, it will be madw public. Then why weren't they made public by you? CIS clearly stated - they are funding Chapter, and in past (also) they have supported in-kind. Why is the hesitation for acknowledging this? On the contrary - there is strong rejection of even having any kind of connection with CIS from Chapter representatives. (On the other hand CIS is graciously open/alright to acknowledge links with the Chapter) On A Query about CIS funding Chapter Flight Tickets : Response from Secretary was- .making unsubstantiated claims on a public mailing list, Which part was unsubstantiated? Its the reality that this time Chapter Board Member's Flight tickets ARE covered by CIS even if it includes training the A2K team. (CIS has already made it clear on this mailing list) Why there is hesitation/resistance to have transparency? Also, the Chapter President gave statement on same thread - Please be open and transparent to the community. The more you become transparent, it is better for
