Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Béria Lima
There are another way (who works fine in Brazilian program): Treat then as adults they are and the articles as projects. If I cheat in a project in any college in Brazil my professor would give me a zero. In some brazilians college I may be expelled for do that (without count the fact that is also

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Hisham Mundol
hisham On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Béria Lima wrote: There are another way (who works fine in Brazilian program): Treat then as adults they are and the articles as projects. If I cheat in a project in any college in Brazil my professor would give me a zero. In some brazilians college I

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 15:48, Gautam John gau...@prathambooks.org wrote: I said that the current actions were overblown. No second thoughts on the issue and actions being taken. But I guess Gautam has a point here. This set of copyvios were detected very early(majorly ~50 students' edits

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Hisham Mundol
hisham On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Gautam John wrote: On 12 September 2011 13:16, Hisham Mundol hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote: (Some) students in the Pune pilot have copy-pasted copyright material onto their articles. We are taking these copyvios extremely seriously and here's a summary

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Hisham Mundol
hisham On Sep 12, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote: Hisham, Nice to hear the comprehensive way in which the copy violation issue is being addressed. Its better to nip this in the bud otherwise it could grow beyond control and also sully the good work being done by hundreds of

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Gautam John
On 12 September 2011 16:00, Hisham Mundol hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote: and how to write good quality articles  - all in the context and spirit of better learning, more fun, intellectual honesty and the need to avoid academic plagiarism - so I'm with you on that. You know, at the session we

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Bala Jeyaraman
Hisham Thank you for taking this seriously and for the prompt action . This had the potential to become a serious PR disaster for India in general and thankfully the actions taken seem to have stemmed the copyvio issues for now. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Gautam John
On 12 September 2011 16:47, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Copyright violations aren't only important from an academic plagiarism point of view but also legal and ethical, you seem to be only focusing on text based violation in Academia maybe. Commons users and admins spend the better

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Naveen Francis
Hi Hisham, Can you please inform the people who are regularly editing Indian Articles about the Online Ambassador program before closing the dates for the same ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/New_articles (only new article alert system I know) Thanks, Naveen Francis

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Ashwin Baindur
I agree with Gautam in that just copyvio is not the issue. It is the issue of copyright violation, plagiarism and intellectual dishonesty. It needs to be tackled by teaching the skills of citation, paraphrasing and the many acceptable and unacceptable ways to reflect copied text and ideas in

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Hisham Mundol
On Sep 12, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Theo10011 wrote: I am not sure if Intellectual honesty means ethics in this context but I would disagree if that is what WMF and other Wikipedians would be concerned about, it's really the legal liability that they expose WMF and projects to. Maybe Hisham

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Hisham Mundol
On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Theo10011 wrote: I beg to differ Gautum. Since, it was made part of the curriculum this almost constitutes as cheating. I am not sure about lofty first world standards but I would be failed for cheating just about anywhere in the world. It's taking a while for

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Copyright Violations by (some) Students: Wikipedia India Education Program

2011-09-12 Thread Hisham Mundol
On Sep 12, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Naveen Francis wrote: Hi Hisham, Can you please inform the people who are regularly editing Indian Articles about the Online Ambassador program before closing the dates for the same ? Sure, Navin. The application form is at