Talking about bad precedents, the CIS partnership is itself one such bad
precedent which is evident from the fact that WMF won't be repeating this
model of partnerships in future.
+1+1+1+1000
The only way to gain the trust of the community is to make an exeption and
share this contract with the
Samuel,
Recriminations haven't been without reason. As repulsive as they are,
they've actually been fueled by anarchy of the way things have been taken
forward in India by WMF right from the multi-million Rupee India Programs
- much of it worked out in a very hush-hush manner.
Questions asked by
Vishnu,
//Other than the 2 year Grant Agreement CIS has not signed any other
separate MoU with WMF.//
I checked with the WMF Grants team if the grant agreement I have signed
with them is confidential.
Hi Ravi,
Will you consider rephrasing below?
By keeping things confidential like this, both you and WMF risk losing
the trust of the community without which you cannot guarantee successful
completion of your goals.
Especially risk losing...
I have ALREADY LOST trust in the later at least and
Dhaval,
I agree with your preception.
Both WMF and CIS want to build trust with each other forgetting that the
community is the invisible / invincible third partner and stakeholder .
The discussion on CIS's grant proposal has been going on for a month and I
have nothing more to add.
I will
On Wednesday 14 May 2014 08:17 PM, Ravishankar wrote:
So, I would like to know if you have signed a separate MoU or some
sort of lgeal contract that defines the terms and conditions of
working relationship with WMF apart from the grant agreement.
Dear Ravi, Hari and Dhaval,
Other than the 2
On Wednesday 14 May 2014 10:11 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote:
We do not have the property ownership documents (no. 4) as
CIS does not own the building. These are with the owners and
we cannot provide them.
In that case, you could perhaps provide the rental agreement
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 3:16 AM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote:
Both WMF and CIS want to build trust with each other forgetting that the
community is the invisible / invincible third partner and stakeholder .
Actually, I think both WMF and CIS are primarily interested in
building
Dear Vishnu,
There was nothing personal in my email and neither I demanded any
justification. What I expressed was my feeling regarding the trust in the 2
entities. Re-reading the quote of Asaf has not changed and I don't think
reading it over and over again is ever going to change my perception.
Just to clarify if anyone's confused,
CIS is an independent organization which has submitted this grant request
for its A2K program which is again funded by WMF just like Wikimedia India.
To further elaborate, Wikimedia India (WMIN) is a volunteer organization
while CIS-A2K is a paid organization
SJ,
//There is a far larger amount of communication and interaction between
both groups and the community: but with more recriminations and less
focus.//
Please see
Dear Hari,
Please see my replies in-line.
On Wednesday 14 May 2014 12:51 AM, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote:
Vishnu,
There have been detailed discussion on how the salaries seem to
overshadow everything else in CIS's proposal of *1.8 Crore*. And it is
not just me, many other community members who
I feel that the salaries are ok according to Indian standards. Even they
can be considered less from some Indians seeing the kind of contribution
they are doing.
And again in the end the purpose and work is more important than salary
issue. I have a feeling that my time is being wasted by these
[..snip..]
On 14 May 2014 12:53, Vishnu visdav...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm afraid that just the explanations may not suffice here as the
concerns are serious in nature. I sincerely hope that you shall open up the
documents for at least the sake of transparency.
Please note that CIS has never
Vishnu,
//Please note that CIS has never kept its documents closed to open them
again. //
//We had also thrown open all our document to the general public for
scrutiny during May 2013. I have written to members on this list and other
Wikimedia lists, inviting them to come and scrutinize all our
Dear Ravi,
On Wednesday 14 May 2014 01:02 PM, Ravishankar wrote:
Vishnu,
//Please note that CIS has never kept its documents closed to open
them again. //
//We had also thrown open all our document to the general public for
scrutiny during May 2013. I have written to members on this list
Dear Hari,
On Wednesday 14 May 2014 02:11 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote:
[..snip..]
On 14 May 2014 12:53, Vishnu visdav...@gmail.com
mailto:visdav...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm afraid that just the explanations may not suffice here as the
concerns are serious in nature. I sincerely hope
On 14 May 2014 16:20, Vishnu visdav...@gmail.com wrote:
We do not have the property ownership documents (no. 4) as CIS does not
own the building. These are with the owners and we cannot provide them.
In that case, you could perhaps provide the rental agreement made and
signed by CIS with the
Vishnu,
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/India_Program_Announcement_and_FAQ_-_30_July_2012#Did_the_grant_go_through_the_Wikimedia_Grants_Program_process.3F
asks
//Did the grant go through the Wikimedia Grants Program process?//
and answers as folows:
No, *this first one* did not.
Hi all, I have one important question here.
The Foreign Contribution Regulatory Act prohibits money received from
abroad to be used as payments or salaries to anyone employed with the press
or media.
I believe Dr. Pavanaja is a columnist for Prajavani. How does this work out?
It's just a
Dear Wikimedians,
Some responses here on Meta [1] on behalf of CIS. I have also commented
in my individual capacity on the statutory aspects to the best of my
knowledge. Also see some in-line replies.
On Monday 12 May 2014 05:45 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote:
Fellow Wikimedians,
As you all
Hi all,
Please find my reply inline.
On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Vishnu visdav...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Wikimedians,
Some responses here on Meta [1] on behalf of CIS. I have also commented in
my individual capacity on the statutory aspects to the best of my
knowledge. Also see some
Vishnu,
All your proposed plans can be done and have been done by community for
years with ZERO staff cost.
Please don't justify your program budget by including inflated staff salary
as a part of it.
Ravi
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Vishnu,
There have been detailed discussion on how the salaries seem to overshadow
everything else in CIS's proposal of *1.8 Crore*. And it is not just me,
many other community members who have logged their comment there have felt
that the salaries are quite extravagant to Indian standards. Even
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