Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Who is moderating India Mailing list ?
I do support (neutral) moderation and sometimes it is necessary to moderate bad faith mails/trolls etc. Along with moderation, it would be nice to maintain log somewhere (abt discarded/rejected e-mails) For those who are curious about moderation process : Before rejecting any E-Mail (most of the time), admins reply to individual with justification. Delay might be due to busy schedule, additional administrators may solve this issue. Best, Abhishek Suryawanshi, Vice President, Wikimedia New York On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Viswanathan Prabhakaran viswapra...@wikimedia.in wrote: Certainly we always would like to assume good faith with all those good samaritans. But what if most of them are busy and only a few are in charge? :( Can we then get a report or log of activities? On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Viswam, List of moderators can be found at the end of page here: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l Let us assume good faith as at least few of them were really busy in personal life which I can vouch for. What we need is an updated moderation policy and new volunteers for moderation. We can also keep rotating this responsibility from time to time. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Who is moderating India Mailing list ?
Viswam, List of moderators can be found at the end of page here: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l Let us assume good faith as at least few of them were really busy in personal life which I can vouch for. What we need is an updated moderation policy and new volunteers for moderation. We can also keep rotating this responsibility from time to time. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Who is moderating India Mailing list ?
Viswa, Nobody actually *controls* the list. And none of the present moderators have any real need to do that. To answer your other questions: I'm the one who got this list started almost a decade back, so I've been a moderator since. Some prolific contributors namely Anirudh S B, Prashanth N S and Srikanth L were later added up as volunteers and have been helping out. No mails are going selectively passed or selectively discarded. The moderation flag has been activated for all newly subscribed email addresses. And going by the frequency at which sock puppet accounts seemed to be getting created on this list, I guess the moderation bit was enabled. Knowing how different the India list is, I have no qualms about that. It has truly been mundane everyday work for some active moderators who help clear the mess and they have done so all these years. It really hasn't been *control* or anything that they can gain from. And we all can get busy. I can vouch for the fact that none have been intentionally held back. Srikanth L wrote internally earlier today requesting a review of this setting, and while I'm inclined to saying 'yes' to that, with so much happening here - not allowing sock puppets may also seem a good option to keep sanity at check. Having followed several mailing lists of open source projects for more than a decade, I always find myself looking at this list I helped create and feel regretful when I see the mailing list being misused. Having said that, I've not meddled in any way and have let it flow all these years. None of the moderators have either. Some emails get filtered due to technical reasons. For instance, if the mailing list is on the CCed list or if the mail is too heavy in size. I would request all users of this list to be supportive and co-operative of the moderators of this list as they've done a reasonably good job all these years giving it their time despite their busy schedule. And note that If anyone wants to take up the donkey work of moderation, it is up for taking. Please do not fight over this, at the least. Regards, On 15 September 2014 19:54, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: With sufficient evidences, as apparent as they seem to be, I must introduce this issue to you all. The India mailing list is controlled by a few people, of whom no one ever was thinking evil. However, it is time to review and see who really controls this mail list! I request all recipients to wake up and ask the same questions: 1. Who all control the mail list and moderate it? 2. What has been the criteria of their selection? How long they should remain as administrators to the list? 3. Why should mails go selectively passed and selectively discarded? 4. How come very stale mail messages come after almost a month, just when they could significantly be more relevant (or more damaging a particular positive cause) with a changed /new scenario? I propose few more 'acceptable' members are added to the admin list. And even to get rid of people whom the general community does not probably trust any more. We don't want any more vicious infestations to damage the 'India' context of Wikimedia cause. -Viswam -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Who is moderating India Mailing list ?
I did a mailto that list almost one month back. Then today its got delived i dont know what exactly was happended. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: Viswa, Nobody actually *controls* the list. And none of the present moderators have any real need to do that. To answer your other questions: I'm the one who got this list started almost a decade back, so I've been a moderator since. Some prolific contributors namely Anirudh S B, Prashanth N S and Srikanth L were later added up as volunteers and have been helping out. No mails are going selectively passed or selectively discarded. The moderation flag has been activated for all newly subscribed email addresses. And going by the frequency at which sock puppet accounts seemed to be getting created on this list, I guess the moderation bit was enabled. Knowing how different the India list is, I have no qualms about that. It has truly been mundane everyday work for some active moderators who help clear the mess and they have done so all these years. It really hasn't been *control* or anything that they can gain from. And we all can get busy. I can vouch for the fact that none have been intentionally held back. Srikanth L wrote internally earlier today requesting a review of this setting, and while I'm inclined to saying 'yes' to that, with so much happening here - not allowing sock puppets may also seem a good option to keep sanity at check. Having followed several mailing lists of open source projects for more than a decade, I always find myself looking at this list I helped create and feel regretful when I see the mailing list being misused. Having said that, I've not meddled in any way and have let it flow all these years. None of the moderators have either. Some emails get filtered due to technical reasons. For instance, if the mailing list is on the CCed list or if the mail is too heavy in size. I would request all users of this list to be supportive and co-operative of the moderators of this list as they've done a reasonably good job all these years giving it their time despite their busy schedule. And note that If anyone wants to take up the donkey work of moderation, it is up for taking. Please do not fight over this, at the least. Regards, On 15 September 2014 19:54, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: With sufficient evidences, as apparent as they seem to be, I must introduce this issue to you all. The India mailing list is controlled by a few people, of whom no one ever was thinking evil. However, it is time to review and see who really controls this mail list! I request all recipients to wake up and ask the same questions: 1. Who all control the mail list and moderate it? 2. What has been the criteria of their selection? How long they should remain as administrators to the list? 3. Why should mails go selectively passed and selectively discarded? 4. How come very stale mail messages come after almost a month, just when they could significantly be more relevant (or more damaging a particular positive cause) with a changed /new scenario? I propose few more 'acceptable' members are added to the admin list. And even to get rid of people whom the general community does not probably trust any more. We don't want any more vicious infestations to damage the 'India' context of Wikimedia cause. -Viswam -- Hari Prasad Nadig http://hpnadig.net http://twitter.com/hpnadig http://flickr.com/hpnadig ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ---o0o--- Hi, I am pleased to introduce myself and happy to inform you that I am a volunteer for eduladder.com. Eduladder is a group of teachers, programmers and students who believe education should be free and accessable for everyone. We offer a broad range of learning materials, covering every conceivable subject. Find this out for yourself by visiting our site and if you wish to be a part of this movement please visit us at: http://www.eduladder.com/ Like us on: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eduladder/384919901583797 You can contact me, Arun Webber on: 0091 8147433408 if you wish to find out more on our system of give and take of learning materials, and become a part of our global village. We'd be happy to hear from you. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Who is moderating India Mailing list ?
I can't believe you thought imp emails being discarded intentionally! :) I understand the intensity level around chapter .. Still? Being a moderator is like inviting spams. I had to remove myself at Odia wiki mailing list. Hard to imagine massive number of spams at this list!! Not an easy task! On 15-Sep-2014 7:55 pm, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: With sufficient evidences, as apparent as they seem to be, I must introduce this issue to you all. The India mailing list is controlled by a few people, of whom no one ever was thinking evil. However, it is time to review and see who really controls this mail list! I request all recipients to wake up and ask the same questions: 1. Who all control the mail list and moderate it? 2. What has been the criteria of their selection? How long they should remain as administrators to the list? 3. Why should mails go selectively passed and selectively discarded? 4. How come very stale mail messages come after almost a month, just when they could significantly be more relevant (or more damaging a particular positive cause) with a changed /new scenario? I propose few more 'acceptable' members are added to the admin list. And even to get rid of people whom the general community does not probably trust any more. We don't want any more vicious infestations to damage the 'India' context of Wikimedia cause. -Viswam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Who is moderating India Mailing list ?
This is a test mail just to to check whether my mail is being moderated or not. Moderation is a tough task as intensity level is really high on Indian mailing list. Kudos to the volunteers like Hari, Anirudh, Prashanth and Srikanth. Regrads, Sanket Oswal. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:59 PM, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe you thought imp emails being discarded intentionally! :) I understand the intensity level around chapter .. Still? Being a moderator is like inviting spams. I had to remove myself at Odia wiki mailing list. Hard to imagine massive number of spams at this list!! Not an easy task! On 15-Sep-2014 7:55 pm, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: With sufficient evidences, as apparent as they seem to be, I must introduce this issue to you all. The India mailing list is controlled by a few people, of whom no one ever was thinking evil. However, it is time to review and see who really controls this mail list! I request all recipients to wake up and ask the same questions: 1. Who all control the mail list and moderate it? 2. What has been the criteria of their selection? How long they should remain as administrators to the list? 3. Why should mails go selectively passed and selectively discarded? 4. How come very stale mail messages come after almost a month, just when they could significantly be more relevant (or more damaging a particular positive cause) with a changed /new scenario? I propose few more 'acceptable' members are added to the admin list. And even to get rid of people whom the general community does not probably trust any more. We don't want any more vicious infestations to damage the 'India' context of Wikimedia cause. -Viswam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Who is moderating India Mailing list ?
My mails are clearly moderated From today only my mail is reaching. I don know the reason i am just a member from last one year and informed about this to sowmyan as well as vishwaprabha personally Over phone.But i dont get any response back Any how thanks now my mail is reaching well On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Sanket Oswal sankos...@gmail.com wrote: This is a test mail just to to check whether my mail is being moderated or not. Moderation is a tough task as intensity level is really high on Indian mailing list. Kudos to the volunteers like Hari, Anirudh, Prashanth and Srikanth. Regrads, Sanket Oswal. On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:59 PM, ansuman ansum...@gmail.com wrote: I can't believe you thought imp emails being discarded intentionally! :) I understand the intensity level around chapter .. Still? Being a moderator is like inviting spams. I had to remove myself at Odia wiki mailing list. Hard to imagine massive number of spams at this list!! Not an easy task! On 15-Sep-2014 7:55 pm, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: With sufficient evidences, as apparent as they seem to be, I must introduce this issue to you all. The India mailing list is controlled by a few people, of whom no one ever was thinking evil. However, it is time to review and see who really controls this mail list! I request all recipients to wake up and ask the same questions: 1. Who all control the mail list and moderate it? 2. What has been the criteria of their selection? How long they should remain as administrators to the list? 3. Why should mails go selectively passed and selectively discarded? 4. How come very stale mail messages come after almost a month, just when they could significantly be more relevant (or more damaging a particular positive cause) with a changed /new scenario? I propose few more 'acceptable' members are added to the admin list. And even to get rid of people whom the general community does not probably trust any more. We don't want any more vicious infestations to damage the 'India' context of Wikimedia cause. -Viswam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ---o0o--- Hi, I am pleased to introduce myself and happy to inform you that I am a volunteer for eduladder.com. Eduladder is a group of teachers, programmers and students who believe education should be free and accessable for everyone. We offer a broad range of learning materials, covering every conceivable subject. Find this out for yourself by visiting our site and if you wish to be a part of this movement please visit us at: http://www.eduladder.com/ Like us on: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Eduladder/384919901583797 You can contact me, Arun Webber on: 0091 8147433408 if you wish to find out more on our system of give and take of learning materials, and become a part of our global village. We'd be happy to hear from you. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Who is moderating India Mailing list ?
Hi Viswa, Adding to HPN's mail 3. Why should mails go selectively passed and selectively discarded? It is set to selectively pass only for *new members*. This is because of high SPAs, mostly trollish in nature. Unfortunately, this setting also applies when people send from their other email addresses (like chapter email id / unsubscribed other email ids) 4. How come very stale mail messages come after almost a month, just when they could significantly be more relevant (or more damaging a particular positive cause) with a changed /new scenario? Some (or many) messages that were cleared today actually were rightfully put on hold (either they are advertisements, troll mails, off topic mails). But since it was not discarded and there were tonnes of such mails, I did not look into each and just cleared all of them assuming good faith, just by seeing name and email id of sender. Please be assured, no one has any interest in moderating mails to support / damage any cause. Can we then get a report or log of activities? I dont think mailman offers any such provisions. A background on moderation policy on this list, thread from 2011[1], after which myself and Prashanth NS were added as moderators (to have someone not from the chapter). FWIW, I was a chapter member only briefly and never renewed my membership, so I don't have any interest in Chapter (or CIS A2K for that matter). FWIW, an attempt was made to have agreed mailing list guidelines, but there was no clousure and this is not enforced. The page Mailinglist Guidelines on chapter wiki. The problem with rules / guidelines and enforcement is people would again complain of being strict, which is why this list is largely unmoderated. What is criteria for selection of moderators? How long should one be as moderator? Anyone who can answer mails, understands mailing list etiquettes, has time can be one. Few of the community members trusted us(existing mods), hence we are mods. If the community doesn't trust we cease to be, just let us know. [1] http://markmail.org/thread/byq2kbzwax7xqave [2] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/MailingList_Guidelines On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:54 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: With sufficient evidences, as apparent as they seem to be, I must introduce this issue to you all. The India mailing list is controlled by a few people, of whom no one ever was thinking evil. However, it is time to review and see who really controls this mail list! I request all recipients to wake up and ask the same questions: 1. Who all control the mail list and moderate it? 2. What has been the criteria of their selection? How long they should remain as administrators to the list? 3. Why should mails go selectively passed and selectively discarded? 4. How come very stale mail messages come after almost a month, just when they could significantly be more relevant (or more damaging a particular positive cause) with a changed /new scenario? I propose few more 'acceptable' members are added to the admin list. And even to get rid of people whom the general community does not probably trust any more. We don't want any more vicious infestations to damage the 'India' context of Wikimedia cause. -Viswam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Who is moderating India Mailing list ?
Thank you Srikanth Lakshmanan, your reply (along with Hari's) is quite re-assuring and sufficient to quench my doubts. -Viswam On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:09 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan srik@gmail.com wrote: Hi Viswa, Adding to HPN's mail 3. Why should mails go selectively passed and selectively discarded? It is set to selectively pass only for *new members*. This is because of high SPAs, mostly trollish in nature. Unfortunately, this setting also applies when people send from their other email addresses (like chapter email id / unsubscribed other email ids) 4. How come very stale mail messages come after almost a month, just when they could significantly be more relevant (or more damaging a particular positive cause) with a changed /new scenario? Some (or many) messages that were cleared today actually were rightfully put on hold (either they are advertisements, troll mails, off topic mails). But since it was not discarded and there were tonnes of such mails, I did not look into each and just cleared all of them assuming good faith, just by seeing name and email id of sender. Please be assured, no one has any interest in moderating mails to support / damage any cause. Can we then get a report or log of activities? I dont think mailman offers any such provisions. A background on moderation policy on this list, thread from 2011[1], after which myself and Prashanth NS were added as moderators (to have someone not from the chapter). FWIW, I was a chapter member only briefly and never renewed my membership, so I don't have any interest in Chapter (or CIS A2K for that matter). FWIW, an attempt was made to have agreed mailing list guidelines, but there was no clousure and this is not enforced. The page Mailinglist Guidelines on chapter wiki. The problem with rules / guidelines and enforcement is people would again complain of being strict, which is why this list is largely unmoderated. What is criteria for selection of moderators? How long should one be as moderator? Anyone who can answer mails, understands mailing list etiquettes, has time can be one. Few of the community members trusted us(existing mods), hence we are mods. If the community doesn't trust we cease to be, just let us know. [1] http://markmail.org/thread/byq2kbzwax7xqave [2] http://wiki.wikimedia.in/MailingList_Guidelines On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:54 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: With sufficient evidences, as apparent as they seem to be, I must introduce this issue to you all. The India mailing list is controlled by a few people, of whom no one ever was thinking evil. However, it is time to review and see who really controls this mail list! I request all recipients to wake up and ask the same questions: 1. Who all control the mail list and moderate it? 2. What has been the criteria of their selection? How long they should remain as administrators to the list? 3. Why should mails go selectively passed and selectively discarded? 4. How come very stale mail messages come after almost a month, just when they could significantly be more relevant (or more damaging a particular positive cause) with a changed /new scenario? I propose few more 'acceptable' members are added to the admin list. And even to get rid of people whom the general community does not probably trust any more. We don't want any more vicious infestations to damage the 'India' context of Wikimedia cause. -Viswam ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- Regards Srikanth.L ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
