Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India
Whenever there is DD or MM format , there is a confusion. Month should be mmm. On Oct 10, 2014 11:23 AM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Srikanth Ramakrishnan The ISO 8601 format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 for date too corresponds to the same above (-MM-DD) format. Real advantages of this format are (1) Non-ambiguity, (2) Correct sort order even when data is processed as pure text and (3) international consistency Certainly, this is one of the subset of CLDR too. I suggest all Wikimedia projects should have this format as default, but again, customizable per user preferences. -Viswam On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Sudhanwa, while I don't know about Indian language projects, I do know that on the English Wikipedia, we have (or atleast used to) a standard date format of -MM-DD. This is a reversed order which I assume would be relatively easy to follow since even machines understand it. Cheerio. On 09-Oct-2014 11:24 pm, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised. In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone. This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time, logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings. Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier, could be taken up for implementation. Regards -Sudhanwa On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have Asia/Kolkata as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia), but some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is UTC. So for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource, then the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it will be UTC. I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's community. If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia uses the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up for community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to change it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit). If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea how to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions. Thank you! -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India
I am for mmm for month name -Pavanaja On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Whenever there is DD or MM format , there is a confusion. Month should be mmm. On Oct 10, 2014 11:23 AM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) viswapra...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Srikanth Ramakrishnan The ISO 8601 format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 for date too corresponds to the same above (-MM-DD) format. Real advantages of this format are (1) Non-ambiguity, (2) Correct sort order even when data is processed as pure text and (3) international consistency Certainly, this is one of the subset of CLDR too. I suggest all Wikimedia projects should have this format as default, but again, customizable per user preferences. -Viswam On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Sudhanwa, while I don't know about Indian language projects, I do know that on the English Wikipedia, we have (or atleast used to) a standard date format of -MM-DD. This is a reversed order which I assume would be relatively easy to follow since even machines understand it. Cheerio. On 09-Oct-2014 11:24 pm, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised. In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone. This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time, logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings. Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier, could be taken up for implementation. Regards -Sudhanwa On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have Asia/Kolkata as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia), but some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is UTC. So for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource, then the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it will be UTC. I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's community. If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia uses the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up for community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to change it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit). If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea how to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions. Thank you! -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India
Hi, Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised. In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone. This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time, logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings. Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier, could be taken up for implementation. Regards -Sudhanwa On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have Asia/Kolkata as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia), but some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is UTC. So for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource, then the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it will be UTC. I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's community. If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia uses the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up for community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to change it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit). If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea how to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions. Thank you! -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India
Sudhanwa, while I don't know about Indian language projects, I do know that on the English Wikipedia, we have (or atleast used to) a standard date format of -MM-DD. This is a reversed order which I assume would be relatively easy to follow since even machines understand it. Cheerio. On 09-Oct-2014 11:24 pm, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised. In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone. This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time, logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings. Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier, could be taken up for implementation. Regards -Sudhanwa On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have Asia/Kolkata as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia), but some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is UTC. So for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource, then the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it will be UTC. I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's community. If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia uses the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up for community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to change it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit). If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea how to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions. Thank you! -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India
Oh, thanks for bringing that up. The Common Locale Data Repository (CLDR) has information about date formats for different languages and countries. MediaWiki already uses the CLDR for some information, and can possibly use it for date formats as well. I'll pass this on to the engineers. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-10-09 20:54 GMT+03:00 Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com: Hi, Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised. In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone. This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time, logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings. Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier, could be taken up for implementation. Regards -Sudhanwa On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have Asia/Kolkata as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia), but some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is UTC. So for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource, then the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it will be UTC. I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's community. If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia uses the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up for community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to change it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit). If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea how to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions. Thank you! -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] default time zones for projects in languages of India
+1 Srikanth Ramakrishnan The ISO 8601 format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 for date too corresponds to the same above (-MM-DD) format. Real advantages of this format are (1) Non-ambiguity, (2) Correct sort order even when data is processed as pure text and (3) international consistency Certainly, this is one of the subset of CLDR too. I suggest all Wikimedia projects should have this format as default, but again, customizable per user preferences. -Viswam On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:30 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan rsrikant...@gmail.com wrote: Sudhanwa, while I don't know about Indian language projects, I do know that on the English Wikipedia, we have (or atleast used to) a standard date format of -MM-DD. This is a reversed order which I assume would be relatively easy to follow since even machines understand it. Cheerio. On 09-Oct-2014 11:24 pm, Sudhanwa Jogalekar sudhanwa@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Apart from this, the date formats also needs to be standardised. In India, we use dd/mm/yy as default. Whereas most editors outside India (but editing Indian languages wiki) use mm/dd/yy format. This cause huge confusions. eg. 09/10/14 is 09 Oct 14 or 10 Sep 14. A simpler and better way could be to standardise the display on the pages to dd-mmm- date formats and hh:mm:ss am/pm local timezone. This could be same for any IP based editing but at the same time, logged in users should have their own preferences in their settings. Not sure how much this is already implemented. If not done earlier, could be taken up for implementation. Regards -Sudhanwa On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hi, Some Wikimedia projects in languages of India have Indian time defined as the default time zone. Some don't. For precise info see: http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php Search that file for wgLocaltimezone. You'll see that some projects have Asia/Kolkata as the timezone, for example guwiki (Gujarati Wikipedia), but some don't appear at all, which means that their default timezone is UTC. So for example if one goes to recent changes on the Assamese Wikisource, then the times will show by default in IST, but on Assamese Wikipedia it will be UTC. I guess that at least some of the projects will want to switch to the timezone of India. It's easy to do - a line for each project needs to be added for each site, but this should come in as requests from each site's community. If you have a few minutes, please check whether your favorite Wikimedia uses the appropriate default time zone. If it doesn't, please bring this up for community discussion, and if the community agrees, please request to change it in Bugzilla (or just submit a patch directly to Gerrit). If you need any technical explanation (for example, if you have no idea how to work with Bugzilla and Gerrit), I am available for questions. Thank you! -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l -- ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~! web: www.sudhanwa.com blog: www.sudhanwa.in Twitter: sudhanwa Check on FB, Linkedin for more. ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing preferences visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
