Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

2012-07-03 Thread Stephen Wanjau
Hello Wikimedians!

As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be
preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the
collaborations with the institutions in question.

Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence
templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to
WP:KENYA etc.

From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't
no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special
provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of
the copyright act at [1].

Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and
internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as
any form of legal advise.

Have a good day.

regards
//Stephen

1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa iola...@pensa.it wrote:

 dear all
 to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests -
 to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within Share
 Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.
 all the best
 iolanda

 1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative
 Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa
 by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda -
 wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
 * Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
 * Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
 you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]

 2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can
 ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the
 biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the
 story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs
 some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions
 wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started
 is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.

 3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions
 to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand -
 they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a
 formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be
 useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to
 get started and to be able to then tell the public sector hey, THEY are
 already doing it.

 [1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final
 link to glamwiki.org)
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.ogv
 On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link
 to glamwiki.org)
 http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv

 Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:

 Hello Folks!

 I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together
 with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the
 speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I
 feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan
 government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns
 regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing
 on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.

 In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or
 even how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway).
 At the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it
 is always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and
 the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with
 Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational
 websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting
 he was at it again!

 On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya,
 he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact
 conversation was as below.

 *Alex*: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we
 work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah

 *Museum directorate*: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia  on Google I
 will find it? (Was just hilarious:)


 Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas
 did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this
 premises and this is why.

 On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running
 late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the
 premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not
 want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the 

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

2012-07-03 Thread Abbas Mahmood

I usually use the Kenyan Constitution (Article 35 in the Bill of Rights) to 
argue my standpoint:
...every citizen has the right to access to information held by the state or 
any information that is held by another person and that is required for the 
exercise or protection of any right or fundamental freedom. 
--Abbas.

From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:46:49 +0300
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM   projects

Hello Wikimedians!

As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be 
preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the 
collaborations with the institutions in question.




Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence templates, 
Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to WP:KENYA etc. 

From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't no 
lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special 
provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of the 
copyright act at [1]. 




Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and 
internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as any 
form of legal advise.

Have a good day.

regards
//Stephen



1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf


On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa iola...@pensa.it wrote:



dear allto involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen 
suggests - to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs 
within Share Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.


all the bestiolanda
1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative 
Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa by 
the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda - wikipedian 
in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).


* Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
* Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc


you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]
2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can ask 
a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the biography of 
their authors and their book description; for an archive the story of the 
institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs some of their 
promotional publications. those are contents institutions wish to share and 
they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started is easier to get more 
because they see how their contents are used.



3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions to 
involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand - they 
do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a formal 
agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be useful to 
target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to get started 
and to be able to then tell the public sector hey, THEY are already doing it.



[1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final link to 
glamwiki.org) 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.ogv



On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link to 
glamwiki.org) 
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv



Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:
Hello Folks!

I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with 
Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with 
which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait 
any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the 
Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that 
they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call 
an AGM of the stakeholders. 






In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how 
the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end 
they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always 
is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator 
there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He 
thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and 
made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!






On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he 
asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation 
was as below.






Alex: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work at 
Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah










Museum directorate: Do you mean

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

2012-07-03 Thread stephen wanjau
Hello!

Yes, *right to access* is enshrined in the Kenyan constitution. What of how
you use the material/information that you gained access to?

For instance, photographs of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta while he was in young etc.
Yes we can access the photograph but are we allowed to use it in any way we
wish (*freely*) and for that matter upload it to commons where we will no
longer have control of what and where it will be used for illustrations or
any other purpose.

IMO, We need to know about copyright expiry of some of these works
according to the laws of Kenya, and the authors desired ways of attribution
if any to ensure we do not step on anyone’s toes.

I would be interested to know whether there is a clause or chapter in our
constitution that addresses the issue of intellectual property since it is
the supreme law of Kenya.

PS: Anyone with a soft copy can as well forward the same.

//Stephen

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Abbas Mahmood abbas...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I usually use the Kenyan Constitution (Article 35 in the Bill of Rights)
 to argue my standpoint:

 ...every citizen has the right to access to information held by the state
 or any information that is held by another person and that is required for
 the exercise or protection of any right or fundamental freedom.

 --Abbas.

 --
 From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:46:49 +0300

 To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM
 projects

 Hello Wikimedians!

 As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be
 preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the
 collaborations with the institutions in question.

 Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence
 templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to
 WP:KENYA etc.

 From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't
 no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special
 provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of
 the copyright act at [1].

 Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and
 internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as
 any form of legal advise.

 Have a good day.

 regards
 //Stephen

 1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf

 On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa iola...@pensa.it wrote:

 dear all
 to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests -
 to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within Share
 Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.
 all the best
 iolanda

 1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative
 Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa
 by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda -
 wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
 * Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
 * Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
 you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]

 2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can
 ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the
 biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the
 story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs
 some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions
 wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started
 is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.

 3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions
 to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand -
 they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a
 formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be
 useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to
 get started and to be able to then tell the public sector hey, THEY are
 already doing it.

 [1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final
 link to glamwiki.org)
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.ogv
 On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link
 to glamwiki.org)
 http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv

 Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:

 Hello Folks!

 I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together
 with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the
 speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I
 feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan
 government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

2012-07-03 Thread Limoke Oscar
Maybe it will be a good time we copied our Lawyer ( Abbas's namesake : :-)
) for advise?



On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM, stephen wanjau wanjaus...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello!

 Yes, *right to access* is enshrined in the Kenyan constitution. What of
 how you use the material/information that you gained access to?

 For instance, photographs of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta while he was in young etc.
 Yes we can access the photograph but are we allowed to use it in any way we
 wish (*freely*) and for that matter upload it to commons where we will no
 longer have control of what and where it will be used for illustrations or
 any other purpose.

 IMO, We need to know about copyright expiry of some of these works
 according to the laws of Kenya, and the authors desired ways of attribution
 if any to ensure we do not step on anyone’s toes.

 I would be interested to know whether there is a clause or chapter in our
 constitution that addresses the issue of intellectual property since it is
 the supreme law of Kenya.

 PS: Anyone with a soft copy can as well forward the same.

 //Stephen


 On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Abbas Mahmood abbas...@hotmail.comwrote:

  I usually use the Kenyan Constitution (Article 35 in the Bill of
 Rights) to argue my standpoint:

 ...every citizen has the right to access to information held by the
 state or any information that is held by another person and that is
 required for the exercise or protection of any right or fundamental
 freedom.

 --Abbas.

 --
 From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
 Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:46:49 +0300

 To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM
 projects

 Hello Wikimedians!

 As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be
 preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the
 collaborations with the institutions in question.

 Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence
 templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to
 WP:KENYA etc.

 From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I
 ain't no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some
 special provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a
 copy of the copyright act at [1].

 Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and
 internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as
 any form of legal advise.

 Have a good day.

 regards
 //Stephen

 1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf

 On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa iola...@pensa.it wrote:

 dear all
 to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests
 - to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within
 Share Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.
 all the best
 iolanda

 1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs,
 Creative Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south
 africa by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda
 - wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
 * Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
 * Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
 you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]

 2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you
 can ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the
 biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the
 story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs
 some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions
 wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started
 is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.

 3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions
 to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand -
 they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a
 formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be
 useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to
 get started and to be able to then tell the public sector hey, THEY are
 already doing it.

 [1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final
 link to glamwiki.org)
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.ogv
 On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link
 to glamwiki.org)
 http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv

 Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:

 Hello Folks!

 I have been physically following up on the subject of this email
 (together with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics
 and the speed with which these institutions

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

2012-06-18 Thread Limoke Oscar
Steve,

Not to be mean nor evil, by I hate lengthy emails I actually meant yea
If we could keep the emails shorter and on point, we could make more
meaningful communication. Lots of people here have dozens of other
engagements that involve email exchange and replyng to the same thread
in multiple ways is spam and non-communicative.

Yes I am on internal but we cannot compare the kind of politics  that
happens there to our community discussion list. And no one questioned
your contribution to Wikimedia and recognition for the same.
Wikipedias hardly show- off their achievements, rather 

Anyone who hates this lengthy emails as I do? I mean they dont
communicate as I end up never reading them but just scan them

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

2012-06-17 Thread Abbas Mahmood

My dear Steve,
Waswahili wasema subira huvuta heri.
I am going to speak about the Kenya National Archives, because it's the 
partnership that I'm focused on. Yes, we have been moving at a sluggish rate. 
Sometimes it's my fault, sometimes it's theirs. But, IMO, most partnerships 
don't take overnight to seal. They take months, or even years. And that has 
nothing to do with Kenya or the government. It's the business norm. The British 
Museum -- the first cultural institution to host a Residency program -- took 
months to accept it. The Museum of Islamic Art in Qatar is still in talks with 
Wikimedia -- these talks started (I think) 10 months ago. This agreement is not 
just a piece of paper saying that we will edit Wikipedia and take photos. It 
involves Museum personnel/staff -- meaning that they'll agree to devote their 
time to contribute to Wikipedia. So all in all, it involves the Museum agreeing 
to dedicate (some of) its resources to us -- whether its time or money. It also 
has a binding agreement, explicitly stating that they have to stick to the 
terms and conditions of the partnership. (e.g. what will you do if a senior 
staff member forbids you to take photos of their gallery?)
If you want to go ahead and carry out this project unofficially, then go ahead. 
I just hope that you (and everyone else who is in an official capacity to 
represent Wikimedia Kenya) knows that if we want to form partnerships, these 
things will take time. And there may be a shortcut this time round (which has 
its limitations), there may not be a shortcut next time.
You talked about calling an AGM with the stakeholders. What stakeholders 
specifically? You also talked about most government institutions being ignorant 
about Wikipedia. While this statement may be true, I assure you that after more 
than 5 meetings with the Kenya National Archives Management team, they at least 
know the basics :-)
You also talked about carrying out editathons and taking photos at the Murumbi 
Gallery (the gallery found at the entrance of the Archives). Do you know that 
this gallery is barely 1% of what the Kenya National Archives has? Yes, 1%. The 
Kenya National Archives is not a place which is supposed to host artifacts per 
se, but most importantly, it houses millions of records, transcripts, maps, 
agreements, videos, audio files related to Kenyan history. These records -- not 
the gallery -- are the essence of the Archives. It is these records, about Mau 
Mau, about East African Railways, about Tom Mboya -- that can be found nowhere 
else, that they have. 
So, if this deal really happens, the bulk of the work will be to digitize/scan 
these records and upload them to Wikisource. Although I think that we should 
also do what you said with the Murumbi Gallery, the bulk of the work still is 
the mass upload as well as putting up the descriptions (metadata) of each 
upload.
I am not supposed to talk about this, since it's still not yet official. But 
many of you probably didn't know what will really be happening, if this 
partnership actually takes place with the Archives.
Thanks,Abbas.

From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:20:10 +0300
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

Hello Folks!

I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with 
Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with 
which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait 
any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the 
Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that 
they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call 
an AGM of the stakeholders. 



In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how 
the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end 
they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always 
is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator 
there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He 
thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and 
made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!



On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he 
asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation 
was as below.



Alex: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work at 
Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah




Museum directorate: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia  on Google I will find 
it? (Was just hilarious:)

Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas did). 
But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this premises 
and this is why. 



On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a 

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

2012-06-17 Thread Limoke Oscar
And I hate lengthy emails  like this ones here :-)

Good points folks though, I hope we all agree to that.

Steve rem you too dint know anything about Wikipedia and mailing lists
before I recruited you :-), and so many of us. And I guess thats why
we exist as WMKE 

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects

2012-06-17 Thread Andrew maina

The National Archives idea is fantastic. When I created the Bernard Mate page 
on wikipedia, I stumbled on some links explicitly referring to sources at the 
Kenya National Archives.. Always suspected since then that the place could be 
of massive use for digging up information on important historical events, 
people and places that predate the internet.
--
 On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 8:20 AM MSKS Stephen Wanjau wrote:
 
 Hello Folks!
 
 I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together
 with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the
 speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I
 feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan
 government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns
 regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing
 on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
 
 In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even
 how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At
 the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is
 always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and
 the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with
 Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational
 websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting
 he was at it again!
 
 On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya,
 he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact
 conversation was as below.
 
 *Alex*: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we
  work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah
 
  *Museum directorate*: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia on Google I will
  find it? (Was just hilarious:)
 
 
 Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas
 did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this
 premises and this is why.
 
 On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running
 late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the
 premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not
 want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent
 IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about
 history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to
 crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures.
 The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even
 before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of
 their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as
 subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.
 
 My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the
 library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references
 there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is
 free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would
 hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall
 definitely be provided.
 
 Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it
 with some light..?
 
 My thoughts.
 
 //Stephen
 -- 
 Wikimedia Kenya
 Board Member  Treasurer

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