Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Wikimedia Kenya Blog

2012-06-17 Thread Stephen Wanjau
Hello,

I conquer that we are somehow struggling to update our website for now
courtesy of bad and expensive internet connection in Kenya plus the website
is on its very final stages of construction (Thanks to Alex).

Even though it is not an immediate and dire need, it is Rule of
thumbhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumbwe will need a blog
as time goes by - but the sooner the better. It is more
of writing the English composition that we used to write while in primary
and high school:) plus it is interesting to read plus so much more...

//Stephen
sent from my $100 gadget


On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Limoke Oscar oslim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Steve,

 I love the idea of a blog but however qm skeptical we need one.We
 already have a wiki website that we  still struggle to update and
 which could serve as a portal and blog for informing the whole world
 about us. Am sure if we start a blog, we might just as well be
 duplicating content from our wikijust my 2cents

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 Regards,

 Limoke Oscar,
 *point me to the destiny,and I will curve my own path to it *

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Wikimedia Kenya Blog

2012-06-17 Thread Manuel Schneider
Dear all,

Am 17.06.2012 07:38, schrieb Limoke Oscar:
 I love the idea of a blog but however qm skeptical we need one.We
 already have a wiki website that we  still struggle to update and
 which could serve as a portal and blog for informing the whole world
 about us. Am sure if we start a blog, we might just as well be
 duplicating content from our wikijust my 2cents

allow me to chime in for a moment.

Technically, we can set up on your website whatever you need and add
so-called subdomains, for instance:

* www.wikimedia.or.ke - a website, built with a blog software such as
Wordpress or Drupal

* members.wikimedia.or.ke - current wiki, used for members to publish
reports, document / manage projects, work on concepts etc.

* board.wikimedia.or.ke - closed wiki for the board to be able to
discuss internal issues, develop resolutions, internal documentation
such as passwords of mailinglists, websites and wikis, bank details etc.

* projectname.wikimedia.or.ke - specific wikis for bigger projects,
can be public or only disclosed to a specific project team

the wikis can all be integrated into the members wiki by using the same
user database and user preferences, so everybody just needs one account
and based on the user role she or he can access specific wikis or not.

For smaller chapters I have seen wikis as websites for a while, we also
did that for Wikimedia CH and I think Wikimedia Sweden and Wikimedia
Israel still do that.

On the other hand both Wikimedia CH and Wikimedia Austria at one point
decided to have a real website, both are using Drupal now.
I think it is correct to argument about the ability to update the
website - does an association already have so much information and
therefore a need for a website?
Better start low and grow bigger as your association and the needs grow.

The Drupal website has another side-effect: Several Wikimedia chapters
use it for CiviCRM, which is a module on top of Drupal. We maintain our
contacts, finances, event registrations etc. withing CiviCRM. So the
website and the central contact management system is basically the same
thing.

You can always start by using the current wiki / website as your
website, add Drupal CiviCRM later as you need it, build a new website
based on Drupal, once it is ready we move the wiki to the members
subdomain and move Drupal to www.wikimedia.or.ke. We are flexible with that.

Regards,


Manuel
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Wikimedia Kenya Blog

2012-06-17 Thread Manuel Schneider
Am 17.06.2012 11:44, schrieb David Mugo:
 I am in the process of migrating the site to a new host after we agreed
 that we could not afford the current hosting. We are paying roughly $100
 per year. I will be able to finalize with the process and test within the
 next few days.

actually, I wonder why you pay something at all. The current hosting is
sponsored by me and thus for free.

But well, it is your money...


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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Wikimedia Kenya Blog

2012-06-17 Thread David Mugo
Manuel,

You are actually confusing me. You did send us an invoice recently. So what
is free and what is to be paid for?

David.

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Manuel Schneider 
manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote:

 Am 17.06.2012 11:44, schrieb David Mugo:
  I am in the process of migrating the site to a new host after we agreed
  that we could not afford the current hosting. We are paying roughly $100
  per year. I will be able to finalize with the process and test within the
  next few days.

 actually, I wonder why you pay something at all. The current hosting is
 sponsored by me and thus for free.

 But well, it is your money...


 /Manuel
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Wikimedia Kenya Blog

2012-06-17 Thread Manuel Schneider
Am 17.06.2012 11:47, schrieb David Mugo:
 You are actually confusing me. You did send us an invoice recently. So what
 is free and what is to be paid for?

have you read the invoice?

What amount of money did it say?


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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Wikimedia Kenya Blog

2012-06-17 Thread Manuel Schneider
Am 17.06.2012 11:50, schrieb Manuel Schneider:
 Am 17.06.2012 11:47, schrieb David Mugo:
 You are actually confusing me. You did send us an invoice recently. So what
 is free and what is to be paid for?
 
 have you read the invoice?
 
 What amount of money did it say?

for those who wonder - see attachment.


/Manuel
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Wikimedia Kenya Blog

2012-06-17 Thread David Mugo
Yes. Running the server space and simplifying usage for other users who may
not necessarily be IT pros.

David.

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Manuel Schneider 
manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote:

 Am 17.06.2012 11:55, schrieb David Mugo:
  Well, besides other things, we would also want to be in control of the
  hosting fully, which currently we are not.

 meaning full control as in running your own server?

 Or just maintaining your own wikis, databases etc.? This is what you
 already can do but never did.


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