Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Making Wikipedia loves monuments work in the UK.

On 18 January 2012 03:38, geni wrote: > I would argue that the UK is a uniquely bad place for wikipedia loves > monuments. There was plenty of discussion of WLM in the UK flying around yesterday, between and after the GLAM events in London. Let me try to give a summary, reserving the right to po

[Wikimediauk-l] Making Wikipedia loves monuments work in the UK.

I would argue that the UK is a uniquely bad place for wikipedia loves monuments. Not only has it already been done directly: http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/ But geograph has also covered a lot of the ground. Repeatedly. So what are the alternatives. If you want to insist on architecture then

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 17/01/2012 15:28, Alison M. Wheeler wrote: > > Also, given that even .UK .IT .NO and all the rest of the ccTLDs refer back > to the dozen of so root DNS servers, they too could be poisened under the > draft bill as it exists. So make no bone

[Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight - Jimmy on right now.

Watch if you can. :-) Mike ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] BBC Newsnight - Jimmy on right now.

Ah, never mind, they've moved on now. In summary: after an initial gaff at the beginning of the show where they talked about Wikileaks rather than Wikimedia, it provided somewhat reasonable (but rather short) coverage of this issue - mostly due to Jimmy being on the show live by video feed. Mik

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

- Original Message - > From: "Gordon Joly" > So who owns the Internet? Who has ultimate authority over DNS? A very good question indeed ;-P And the answer, of course, is it depends on who you are talking to. Even though it shouldn't. And the people in one country disagree with the rest

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17/01/2012 15:28, Alison M. Wheeler wrote: Also, given that even .UK .IT .NO and all the rest of the ccTLDs refer back to the dozen of so root DNS servers, they too could be poisened under the draft bill as it exists. So make no bones about it, these proposals*will* affect just about every

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Okay, so, in any case, I think we're too late on this now. I have submitted a wording in line with FT2's, but there's no guarantee that it will be processed and made available to sign in anything like the timescales we need. It's a shame, but then, all that was at stake was a parliamentary debate

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Michael Peel wrote: > Hi all, > > Personal opinion: The best place to discuss UK-specific text, including > for the proposed petition, would be on-wiki at: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Proposed_Messages > since it would probably have to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Hi all, Personal opinion: The best place to discuss UK-specific text, including for the proposed petition, would be on-wiki at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Proposed_Messages since it would probably have to be a community-driven action rather than a WMUK/WMF one, as wit

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge meetup 4 February (confirmation)

To be fair, Charles's message was quite well-worded. It essentially says: "If you're a regular, stop reading now and just turn up on the day as usual. If you definitely can't make it, also stop reading now. If you are new and unsure whether you'd come, then please click the link to find out!" Good

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Just to say that I asked on IRC and there is no technical issue with having a UK-only petition appeal appear on the page, if we can get a petition up and potentially get as much consensus for it as we can in the meantime. -- Harry (User:Jarry1250) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Alison M. Wheele

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

One thing to make clear when talking to anyone about this is that whilst SOPA/PIPA are proposals in the USA, they are *explicitly* targeted to "foreign" websites. And though the DNS aspect may have been delayed at present it is still in there and will be re-introduced at a later stage. This per

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17/01/2012 13:05, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 17 January 2012 12:51, Harry Burt wrote: >> I note that there is a petition with 280 signatures available at: >> >> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143 >> >> It seems to be fairly strongly (but not badly IMHO) worded, so therefore >> worth

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Cool. Then I suggest someone with access to that list put it up [1]. -- Harry (User:Jarry1250) [1] https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/new On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:18 PM, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 January 2012 13:16, Harry Burt wrote: > > As of time of writing, the U.S.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17 January 2012 13:16, Harry Burt wrote: > As of time of writing, the U.S. Congress is currently considering the issue > of whether to tighten internet policing laws with regard to digital rights > enforcement. Whilst the overall goal of these pieces of proposed legislation > (mostly notably th

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Fair point. As of time of writing, the U.S. Congress is currently considering the issue of whether to tighten internet policing laws with regard to digital rights enforcement. Whilst the overall goal of these pieces of proposed legislation (mostly notably those known as SOPA and PIPA) is not neces

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

I have asked Richard to put the link on our blog on the grounds that it is third party but people can support if they choose. Quoting Harry Burt : > I note that there is a petition with 280 signatures available at: > > http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143 > > It seems to be fairly str

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17 January 2012 12:51, Harry Burt wrote: > I note that there is a petition with 280 signatures available at: > > http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143 > > It seems to be fairly strongly (but not badly IMHO) worded, so therefore > worthy of our support if we can get geolocation going.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

I note that there is a petition with 280 signatures available at: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/26143 It seems to be fairly strongly (but not badly IMHO) worded, so therefore worthy of our support if we can get geolocation going. -- Harry (User:Jarry1250) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

AFAIK, there hasn't been time to put in proper geolocation notices, and the WMF are still asleep (it's 4 or 5am there). However, I believe the best place to forward any comments would be the Foreign Office. That said, I think there's a petition being set up, however... -Original Message-

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge meetup 4 February (confirmation)

On 17/01/2012 10:58, Charles Matthews wrote: > On 17 January 2012 09:57, Gordon Joly wrote: >> Really inviting for people who are attending for the first time? > Nitpick. It seems that everyone is a critic. > > I actually took 5 hours and more off enWP editing on Sunday for > something else, as yo

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Jimbo (Jimmy Wales) on Radio 4 - World at One -today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b019fx9j Gordo -- Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com http://www.joly.org.uk/ Don't Leave Space To The Professionals! ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau..

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17 January 2012 12:29, David Gerard wrote: > On 17 January 2012 12:26, Harry Burt wrote: > >> Her Majesty's Government should voice its disapproval of any proposed >> American legislation that would limit the ability of British citizens to >> speak freely on the internet. > > > Sounds good :-D

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17 January 2012 12:26, Harry Burt wrote: > Her Majesty's Government should voice its disapproval of any proposed > American legislation that would limit the ability of British citizens to > speak freely on the internet. Sounds good :-D - d. ___

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM, David Gerard wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_State_for_Trade ? Visa, Mastercard, PayPal - all US companies. SOPA can switch British businesses off like a light. - d. That might be a bit much to ask for. On the other hand, I don't know how many

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-api] Editing en.wp via API to be disabled on 18 January

That makes sense - you don't want any editing going on while people aren't able to monitor it properly. If the API wasn't disabled, a vandal that managed to get access to it (I can't remember what's required to edit via the API) could go on a spree without anyone being there to stop it and we would

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17 January 2012 11:29, Michael Peel wrote: > I'm really not sure what we can do to help in the UK, though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_State_for_Trade ? Visa, Mastercard, PayPal - all US companies. SOPA can switch British businesses off like a light. - d.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

For the US, part of the plan is to get people to call their congress people and get them to oppose the legislation (and by having so many telephone calls, make it clear that this is a big issue). So the blackout isn't the only part of this, just the most publicly-visible part. I'm really not su

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17 January 2012 11:19, Tom Morris wrote: > On 17 January 2012 11:09, Harry Burt wrote: >> What is the official UK call to action here? >> Emailing the embassy? Or could you create a Number10-esque petition? > 1. Find an American friend. > 2. Shout at them until they write to their congressma

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Good question. In reality the black-out IS the protest. Phoning the US embassy or contacting our MPs not really going to have much of an impact is it? Quoting David Gerard : > On 17 January 2012 11:09, Harry Burt wrote: > >> What is the official UK call to action here? >> Emailing the embassy?

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17 January 2012 11:09, Harry Burt wrote: > What is the official UK call to action here? > > Emailing the embassy? Or could you create a Number10-esque petition? > 1. Find an American friend. 2. Shout at them until they write to their congressman/senator. -- Tom Morris

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17 January 2012 11:09, Harry Burt wrote: > What is the official UK call to action here? > Emailing the embassy? Or could you create a Number10-esque petition? > Or did I miss something else entirely? I'm wondering too ... we need to know ASAP. - d.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

What is the official UK call to action here? Emailing the embassy? Or could you create a Number10-esque petition? Or did I miss something else entirely? -- Harry (User:Jarry1250) On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Jon Davies wrote: > Nicely put. Luckily we are all singing from the same song she

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge meetup 4 February (confirmation)

On 17 January 2012 09:57, Gordon Joly wrote: > > Really inviting for people who are attending for the first time? Nitpick. It seems that everyone is a critic. I actually took 5 hours and more off enWP editing on Sunday for something else, as you can see from my contributions; and then needed to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Nicely put. Luckily we are all singing from the same song sheet. Are you coming in? A bit hectic here. Quoting Richard Symonds : > All, > > > > Just a followup email to let you know that the English Wikipedia community > have decided on an action for the English Wikipedia with regard to the SOPA

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-api] Editing en.wp via API to be disabled on 18 January

But only the editing interface of the API - not the reading interface? So this will only keep people from changing the site, rather than accessing the content? Mike On 17 Jan 2012, at 09:53, Gordon Joly wrote: > > > Looks like the API is also going to be down for 24 hours > > Gordo > >

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

... and reading the talk page I see that Simple will be up and running despite the banner running on the site. On 17 January 2012 09:51, Gordon Joly wrote: > On 17/01/2012 02:19, Tom Morris wrote: > > And those of you who are entering panic mode about not being able to > > edit the wiki for 24 h

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Cambridge meetup 4 February (confirmation)

On 15/01/2012 19:05, Charles Matthews wrote: > I'm pleased to announce the next Cambridge meetup, on Saturday 4 > February, usual time and place. Really inviting for people who are attending for the first time? Yes, I know the information is in the ink but all you need to say (in the email)

[Wikimediauk-l] Fwd: [Mediawiki-api] Editing en.wp via API to be disabled on 18 January

Looks like the API is also going to be down for 24 hours Gordo Original Message Subject: [Mediawiki-api] Editing en.wp via API to be disabled on 18 January Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:20:38 -0800 From: Sumana Harihareswara Reply-To: MediaWiki API announcements & d

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

On 17/01/2012 02:19, Tom Morris wrote: > And those of you who are entering panic mode about not being able to > edit the wiki for 24 hours, why not take it as an opportunity to try > editing one of the sister projects? It's looking like the sister > projects are going to remain online. > > Come wri

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation. Wikimedia UK's office is on 020 7065 0990 with press enquiries at pr...@wikimedia.org.uk. On 17 January 2012 08:20, David Gerard wrote: > Do we have a list of just who people should contact in the UK? People > will ask. (I still don't a

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] SOPA/PROTECT Blackout

Do we have a list of just who people should contact in the UK? People will ask. (I still don't actually know.) Have we got even slightly geolocated notices that can have this in them? - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http