Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-15 Thread Harry Burt
It might (I haven't scrutinised the exact criteria) also qualify for funding from Google as part of their Google Summer of Code (GSoC) project [1]. GSoC is targetted at university students who want to program during their summer holidays and typically provides stipends of ~$5000 to support this. E

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-15 Thread WereSpielChequers
If I'm correct in assuming that the UK chapter has some spare cash at the moment then making AWB and other proven, popular, useful but single OS tools available on more operating systems would be a very useful investment. Community development, quality improvement and uncontentious. WSC On 15 Ja

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Doug Weller
Acer makes a decent product at around £300 as I recall which of course included VAT. Dell makes a decent product starting at £239 excluding VAT. Windows 7 works fine and people are familiar with it. As Harry says, "We should focus on getting something that WORKS". It doesn't need expert administra

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Tom Morris
On 15 January 2012 01:27, David Gerard wrote: > On 15 January 2012 01:20, Tom Morris wrote: > >> Also, we *so* need to get Huggle and AWB ported to Mac/Linux. ;-) > > > Unlikely, unless you have something that autoconverts .NET to Java or > something for graphical applications. More likely is get

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread David Gerard
On 15 January 2012 01:20, Tom Morris wrote: > Also, we *so* need to get Huggle and AWB ported to Mac/Linux. ;-) Unlikely, unless you have something that autoconverts .NET to Java or something for graphical applications. More likely is getting the requisite bugs in Wine's .NET handling fixed.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Tom Morris
On 14 January 2012 23:39, David Gerard wrote: > Really - Windows requires expert administration not to turn into a > toxic waste dump. > That's why, if you are sensible, you have a version controlled VM. That way, when it goes tits-up, you just rollback to a working version. Also, we *so* need t

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Thomas Morton
t's too stupid to display them properly, >> meaning our editors have to waste time tweaking the Common.css). >> >> But alas, we're getting slightly off-topic! >> >> Harry >> >> ---------- >> *From:* Thomas Dalton &g

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread HJ Mitchell
lls to use them. Very rarely can the same be said of open-source products (though there are notable exceptions).  Harry From: WereSpielChequers To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 23:57 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
> *From:* Thomas Dalton > *To:* wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > *Sent:* Saturday, 14 January 2012, 23:25 > > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations? > > On 14 January 2012 23:15, Michael Peel > wrote: > > For context for my positio

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 January 2012 23:47, Michael Peel wrote: > Can we discuss this on-wiki please? and ideally focus on hardware rather than > software? ;-) Get a netbook with 3 yr manufacturer's (not shop's) warranty. - d. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimedi

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 January 2012 23:44, Thomas Morton wrote: > Which is why I recommend something like Chromebook - because it's very hard > to make it do anything else except web browsing. Do we have anyone with experience of Chromebooks? We gave the older teen a netbook with Windows. After the second time

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Thomas Morton
Hardware is "meh" - anything on the market today will do what you need. Tom On 14 January 2012 23:47, Michael Peel wrote: > Can we discuss this on-wiki please? and ideally focus on hardware rather > than software? ;-) > > Thanks, > Mike > > On 14 Jan 2012, at 23:44, Thomas Morton wrote: > > > To

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Michael Peel
Can we discuss this on-wiki please? and ideally focus on hardware rather than software? ;-) Thanks, Mike On 14 Jan 2012, at 23:44, Thomas Morton wrote: > To be honest; for a newbie Windows is absolutely fine and dandy. I have a W7 > install for gaming and other bits that goes just fine :) And

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Thomas Morton
To be honest; for a newbie Windows is absolutely fine and dandy. I have a W7 install for gaming and other bits that goes just fine :) And Linux is still too much for the vast majority of people. But from the chapters perspective you have to think about vulnerability; and Windows is quite vulnerabl

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread HJ Mitchell
mon.css).  But alas, we're getting slightly off-topic! Harry From: Thomas Dalton To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 23:25 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations? On 14 January 2012 23:15, Michael Peel w

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 January 2012 23:22, Fae wrote: Windows is unreliable rubbish and should not be handed to random people to use. If it is, it should be wiped and reinstalled each time. (That means "don't".) It's also a virus magnet in any hands less than expert. WMF makes Windows available to staff only on

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Thomas Morton
y > be using them to get online. > > Harry > > -- > *From:* James Forrester > *To:* wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org > *Sent:* Saturday, 14 January 2012, 23:13 > > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations? > > On 14

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread HJ Mitchell
t: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 23:13 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations? On 14 January 2012 22:39, Michael Peel wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm currently putting together a proposal for purchasing tech equipment to > support future events/activities at: > http://uk

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 January 2012 23:15, Michael Peel wrote: > For context for my position here: I use Mac OS for my laptop, since that has > all of the benefits of Linux combined with a somewhat nicer user interface. > Linux is the next best thing, and I use that for my (dell) desktop. I've used > Windows fo

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Fae
Windoze 7 is a dog, however it should be possible to setup a neat dual boot with a linux of choice considering that 500gb hard disk. Ubuntu pretty much does all the work for you from the install disk and you can then set the default as linux. For events I don't think we need Windows, but there may

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Thomas Morton
Yeh, but, a Linux install is likely to last for longer (i.e, before getting clogged up) if it's being handed around. +1 for Chrome Book, I think. Seeing as it's just a browser it is braindead simple to get anyone using, and there is no way for anyone to muck around with it (well, unless they know

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread HJ Mitchell
Very well put, Tom. Harry From: Thomas Dalton To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, 14 January 2012, 22:58 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations? On 14 January 2012 22:39, Michael Peel wrote: > In particular, I'm

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Michael Peel
On 14 Jan 2012, at 23:13, James Forrester wrote: > On 14 January 2012 22:39, Michael Peel wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm currently putting together a proposal for purchasing tech equipment to >> support future events/activities at: >> http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012_Event_Tech >> Input on this

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Michael Peel
On 14 Jan 2012, at 22:58, Thomas Dalton wrote: > I don't see the point of buying Windows and then deleting it, > especially on a machine that is going to be used by lots of different > people. Pretty much everyone is comfortable using Windows, but a lot > of people aren't familiar with Linux. If

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread James Forrester
On 14 January 2012 22:39, Michael Peel wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm currently putting together a proposal for purchasing tech equipment to > support future events/activities at: > http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012_Event_Tech > Input on this would be very welcome - please edit the page directly, or le

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 January 2012 22:39, Michael Peel wrote: > In particular, I'm going to recommend that we purchase a couple of laptops > this month, for volunteers to use at events/activities/when visiting the > office (the OTRS workshop last weekend highlighted the need for getting these > asap). Laptop r

[Wikimediauk-l] Laptop recommendations?

2012-01-14 Thread Michael Peel
Hi all, I'm currently putting together a proposal for purchasing tech equipment to support future events/activities at: http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012_Event_Tech Input on this would be very welcome - please edit the page directly, or leave comments on the talk page. In particular, I'm going