I'm afraid that I will leave this list too if it gets officially
publicly archived again. The malicious attack putting the career of a
long term contributor at risk by data-mining the archives of this
email list back to 2008, was deeply upsetting for all involved. The
list is being openly used by
On 11/04/12 08:22, David Gerard wrote:
On 11 April 2012 08:13, Faef...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
I'm afraid that I will leave this list too if it gets officially
publicly archived again. The malicious attack putting the career of a
long term contributor at risk by data-mining the archives of
On 11 April 2012 08:37, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
But there again, David, you are one the four list maintainers.
That appears to be a non sequitur with no bearing on whether anyone
else is archiving the list publicly already, which they are.
- d.
Er.
If the list archive is already cloned, there seems no point to protect it.
Do we agree?
Gordo
On 10/04/12 01:24, Thehelpfulone wrote:
On 7 April 2012 12:48, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com
mailto:gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
Yes, and the archives are cloned elswhere.
On 10 April 2012 14:45, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
Er.
If the list archive is already cloned, there seems no point to protect it.
Do we agree?
It does indeed appear to be security theatre at best. But Fae said
he'd get back to us with why it was locked ...
- d.
I don't know whether is was made so as a result of my strenuous complaints
about the libellous and untrue and vicious allegations made about me by WMUK
management, but the list being private suits me fine. (Clones are fine - they
are not the 'official record').
If it goes public again, I go
Ed,
It is public.
Anyone can add their email address to the list, without any form of
approval, and then read all posts freely. They can them remove
themselves from the list freely.
Equally, the official record can be consulted if someone reads
material on a mirror and wishes to check it, in
-
From: Martin Peeks martin...@googlemail.com
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
Ed,
It is public.
Anyone can add their email address to the list, without any form of
approval, and then read all posts freely
On 10 April 2012 19:45, Edward at Logic Museum edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote:
So, there is very little realistic difference to the archives being
open or behind this unlocked door.
The difference is that I am happy with them being the way they are. I would
be happier if the insulting
On 10 April 2012 19:48, Edward at Logic Museum edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote:
David Gerard: It does indeed appear to be security theatre at best.
You are another of those who like to repeat these lies and
accusations on various boards, and making serious threats like 'harassment'.
It may be
Your claim of threats is itself defamatory.
They are entirely true, and so they are not.
E
- Original Message -
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
On 10 April
You've still not really learnt how to press your case, have you?
On Apr 10, 2012 7:30 PM, Edward at Logic Museum edw...@logicmuseum.com
wrote:
**
I don't know whether is was made so as a result of my strenuous complaints
about the libellous and untrue and vicious allegations made about me by
Well, I think that Edward has given an apt demonstration of the problems that
we're facing here.
I'll say that I was the one that made the archives for this list restricted to
subscribers only. I took this course of action because the list archives were
being data mined with the aim of
If this is sort of thing is going to continue now that the list is
public, I'll probably leave it. Life's too short and I haven't
subscribed to the list to read this sort of thing.
Doug
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Michael Peel
michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Well, I think that Edward
On 7 April 2012 12:48, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
Yes, and the archives are cloned elswhere.
Gordo
Consensus seems to be relatively clear - can a list admin make the
appropriate tweak?
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On 06/04/2012 00:31, James Farrar wrote:
The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially
available, what is the problem?
Yes, and the archives are cloned elswhere.
Gordo
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On 6 April 2012 00:31, James Farrar james.far...@gmail.com wrote:
The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially available,
what is the problem?
Generally speaking, people acting with malicious intent are more
willing to jump through hoops than people acting in good faith.
On 6 April 2012 07:14, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
Generally speaking, people acting with malicious intent are more
willing to jump through hoops than people acting in good faith.
{{citation needed}}
I think that those acting with malicious intent are unlikely to do
great
On 6 April 2012 07:25, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 April 2012 07:14, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
Generally speaking, people acting with malicious intent are more
willing to jump through hoops than people acting in good faith.
{{citation needed}}
I think that those
?
I am somewhat dissapointed at this list no longer being publically
archived.
Seddon
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:32:21 +0100
From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
I think Mike can answer a few
@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2012, 22:48
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
Well, as no one has answered...
It's related to an incident not long ago where there was a complaint over a
message posted here about a named individual (not going to rehash that whole
issue). The message
*To:* wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
*Sent:* Thursday, 5 April 2012, 22:48
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
Well, as no one has answered...
It's related to an incident not long ago where there was a complaint over a
message posted here about a named individual (not going to rehash that
whole
On 5 April 2012 23:10, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
Well; someone just told me I was mistaken and that wasn't the reason. Sorry!
Perhaps that someone would like to tell us what the actual reason was?
All having the archives private does is make it more inconvenient.
Anyone
I have raised an action to the WM-UK board to provide a formal
explanation. This relates to some issues that we should handle with
sensitivity.
From mid January 2012, this list was changed so that you have to be a
list subscriber to read the archives, you just have to log in to
access it.
Some
The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially
available, what is the problem?
On Apr 5, 2012 11:20 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 April 2012 23:10, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
Well; someone just told me I was mistaken and that
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially available,
what is the problem?
On Apr 5, 2012 11:20 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 April 2012 23:10, Thomas Morton morton.tho
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
The counter-argument is, of course, if the archives are trivially available,
what is the problem?
On Apr 5, 2012 11:20 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 April 2012 23:10, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
Well
Is there any possibility of having question answered?
I am somewhat dissapointed at this list no longer being publically archived.
Seddon
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:32:21 +0100
From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List
I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link
in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no
restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if so, why?
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On 29 March 2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link
in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no
restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if so, why?
On 29 March 2012 13:38, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote:
It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an explanation up I can
post something about this next week when I'm not traveling.
That'd be good :-) It does break convention that public Wikimedia
lists have public archives.
- d.
on
Wikipedia, lest we appear like a cabal (the Eastern European Mailing List comes
to mind...).
Harry
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Thursday, 29 March 2012, 13:41
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
On 29
*Sent:* Thursday, 29 March 2012, 13:41
*Subject:* Re: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
On 29 March 2012 13:38, Fae fae...@gmail.com
mailto:fae...@gmail.com wrote:
It is deliberate. Unless someone else puts an explanation up I can
post something about this next week when I'm not traveling.
That'd
: [Wikimediauk-l] List archives
Oh, Harry - everyone knows that there is no cabal! (ignore the CC)
Richard Symonds
Office Development Manager
Wikimedia UK
+44 (0) 207 065 0992
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Registered in England and Wales, No: 6741827
Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;)
Where does that email address go, anyway?
We could tell you. But I'm not sure you want to know the answer.
;-)
Chris
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On Mar 29, 2012 5:50 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;)
Where does that email address go, anyway?
We could tell you. But I'm not sure you want to know the answer.
Please, stop this conversation before you get us all in trouble. You
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mar 29, 2012 5:50 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
wrote:
Oh, did we forget to induct you ? ;)
Where does that email address go, anyway?
We could tell you. But I'm not sure you want to
On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote:
I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the
link in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there
is no restriction on who can subscribe). Is that intentional and, if
so, why?
There are (public) clones of the
On 29 March 2012 21:43, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote:
I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the link
in the footer) are restricted to subscribers only (although there is no
restriction on who can subscribe). Is
On 29 March 2012 21:59, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 March 2012 21:43, Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com wrote:
On 29/03/2012 13:29, Thomas Dalton wrote:
I've just noticed the list archives for this list (accessible via the
link
in the footer) are restricted to
On 30 March 2012 01:04, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:
So just to confirm, if I sign up to this mailing list and click the
confirmation email link, I'm subscribed? There's no moderation by a list
admin or anything like that? If that's the case, then I agree that there's
no
I thought you had to wait for approval by a list admin, but that approval was
more-or-less automatic...
Harry
From: Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com
To: wikimediauk-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Friday, 30 March 2012, 1:04
Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l
On 30 March 2012 01:33, HJ Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com wrote:
I thought you had to wait for approval by a list admin, but that approval
was more-or-less automatic...
I just subscribed a new email address and I was able to read the
archives immediately.
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