[Wikimediauk-l] Celtic languages Internet project
Hi all, I propose that a Celtic Wikipedia Project be undertaken to significantly increase the number of articles available in the Celtic languages http://www.agencebretagnepresse.com/fetch.php?id=16115title=Celtci% 20languages%20Internet%20project Don't we already have a Celtic language Wikipedia? Looking around, there seems to be a fair number of varieties of Celtic languages [1] , including Gaelic and Welsh. Can anyone clarify this - perhaps they were meaning Manx? Would it be worth WMUK trying to get in contact with these groups, and trying to assist them? Thanks, Mike [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_languages ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Celtic languages Internet project
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: I propose that a Celtic Wikipedia Project be undertaken to significantly increase the number of articles available in the Celtic languages Looking around, there seems to be a fair number of varieties of Celtic languages [1] , including Gaelic and Welsh. Can anyone clarify this - perhaps they were meaning Manx? They said Celtic language*s*, so I think they were meant all the projects you mentioned. Would it be worth WMUK trying to get in contact with these groups, and trying to assist them? Seems like a good idea to me. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Celtic languages Internet project
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Don't we already have a Celtic language Wikipedia? Looking around, there seems to be a fair number of varieties of Celtic languages [1] , including Gaelic and Welsh. Can anyone clarify this - perhaps they were meaning Manx? There is a Manx language Wikipedia: http://gv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ard-ghuillag -- Sam Blacketer ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
[Wikimediauk-l] Ease of becoming a member
Hey all. Before the proper debate begins, I was just trying to work out my own views on how easy it should be for donors to officially join WMUK, it occurred to me that there is a huge black hole in my knowledge, and I was hoping someone might be able to fill it. Is there a /negative/ effect related to having inactive (freebie) members*, and do other projects keep track of how many of their members regularly contribute to discussions? Thanks, Jarry1250 * i.e. those that were going to donate an amount equivalent to membership anyway. -- Jarry1250 http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Jarry1250 ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Celtic languages Internet project
2009/9/20 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: Don't we already have a Celtic language Wikipedia? Looking around, there seems to be a fair number of varieties of Celtic languages [1] , including Gaelic and Welsh. Can anyone clarify this - perhaps they were meaning Manx? The Celtic languages - as Casey says, this is a linguistic group with common ancestry, not a single language. There hasn't been a Celtic language per se for a long, long time :-) In no particular order: * Welsh * Scots Gaelic * Cornish * Manx * Irish * Breton All but one (Breton) are spoken in the UK. All have Wikipedias, mostly of a decent but small size (5000+ pages); Welsh is pretty flourishing. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Ease of becoming a member
2009/9/20 Jarry1250 jarry1...@googlemail.com: Hey all. Before the proper debate begins, I was just trying to work out my own views on how easy it should be for donors to officially join WMUK, it occurred to me that there is a huge black hole in my knowledge, and I was hoping someone might be able to fill it. Is there a /negative/ effect related to having inactive (freebie) members*, and do other projects keep track of how many of their members regularly contribute to discussions? That is, indeed, the question, and we need to answer it. I had thought there wasn't, which is why the first draft of a donation site I put together had becoming a member as default for all donors that wanted to donate £12 or more. A few people objected to that, but I can't remember why - I do remember there were some convincing arguments, though. There are some legal duties of members that we need to make all prospective members aware of (very minor duties - I think it's just the £1 guarantee, really), and there are privacy issues (the list of members has to be made available to anyone that asks for it, unless you think their reason is so frivolous as to warrant going to court over it), but as long as we make sure prospective members are aware of these facts before joining, I don't see a problem. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Ease of becoming a member
2009/9/21 Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com: Thanks for raising this - good question. My understanding is that a large proportion of members in Wikimedia Germany, for instance, are sleeping members who pay their dues and do nothing else. I don't think is particularly problematic - you will always end up with some variation of the 80:20 rule operating (passive and active participants) and to a large extent the more members and more income you have the better. There are two specific issues with sleeping members: if, say, I got 50 friends to sign up just before the AGM, we could easily arrange to sweep the board election next year. This was a particular risk when the chapter was small when it was being started and may be a risk again after the fundraiser should we end up with large amounts of cash to spend. Lets not make it easy for people to abuse the process! The board have to approve all applications - that is a good way of preventing such abuse. You would have to be very careful not to draw attention to the sudden influx of applications. The other consequence is pretty minor in practice, but there are certain statutory requirements that relate to a proportion of the membership, such as: - At least 10% of members have to be at the AGM to have a valid meeting Unless I'm missing something, the statutory minimum quorum is only 2 members according to the Companies Act 2006 Section 318: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/ukpga_20060046_en_21#pt13-ch3-pb5-l1g318 If so, we just need to amend our Articles if it becomes difficult to achieve a quorum. - Written resolutions require 50% of members to sign up I can't find any statutory minimum for written resolutions. They have to be circulated to everyone, but since we usually do that by email there is no real cost involved in having more members. Again, it looks like we just need to amend the Articles. - 10% of the membership can require the directors to call an extraordinary general meeting That bit is correct. It is only 5% if it has been a year since the last AGM, and it only takes 5% to require a written resolution to be distributed, but even those could become a problem. It is unlikely to ever be an issue, though - it's only things that can't wait until the next AGM that require these provisions. Having said all this, my view is that now would be an appropriate time to make the membership process easier - especially given our target of 100 members by the next AGM. We haven't really done much to attract members yet. There was that watchlist geonotice, but I expect most people were put off by there being far too many links and many of them leading to pages that hadn't been written when the notice first went up. ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: http://uk.wikimedia.org
