[Wikimediauk-l] A message from the Wikimedia UK Board

2012-10-14 Thread fabian
Tom, Please re-read the statement. The board: a) acknowledges mistakes have been made b) acknowledges that those mistakes have had a damaging impact c) identified a process (the review) which will not only look closely at what went on, but will produce clear recommendations which will help us

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from the Wikimedia UK Board

2012-10-14 Thread Tom Morris
On Sunday, 14 October 2012 at 09:47, fab...@unpopular.org.uk wrote: Tom, Please re-read the statement. The board: a) acknowledges mistakes have been made https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistakes_were_made https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology Just sayin'. ;-) -- Tom Morris

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from the Wikimedia UK Board

2012-10-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
When I was a child and got in trouble I would go up to my mum and say I'm soyy. She would invariably respond and what are you sorry for? If I didn't have a good answer, the apology would have no effect. I don't think my upbringing was unusual in that respect. On Oct 14, 2012 9:48 AM,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from the Wikimedia UK Board

2012-10-14 Thread Martin Poulter
Heed Fabian's words, please, Tom. It would be paradoxical at best to say we think mistakes have been made, and we're having an independent review to look at what went wrong, and _here's_ _specifically_ _what_ _went_ _wrong_. With a bit of imagination and stretchy analogies, it's possible to put a

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from the Wikimedia UK Board

2012-10-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
If they don't know what they've done wrong, what are they apologising for? On Oct 14, 2012 12:11 PM, Martin Poulter infob...@gmail.com wrote: Heed Fabian's words, please, Tom. It would be paradoxical at best to say we think mistakes have been made, and we're having an independent review to

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from the Wikimedia UK Board

2012-10-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 October 2012 12:12, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: If they don't know what they've done wrong, what are they apologising for? There is, of course, an inquiry underway on that precise question. I think you would be complaining had they said anything or nothing. - d.

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from the Wikimedia UK Board

2012-10-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
Then they should wait for the review before apologising. Or they could just apologise for those things they already know they did wrong. An apology that doesn't say what you are apologising for is meaningless, so why say it? On Oct 14, 2012 12:15 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] A message from the Wikimedia UK Board

2012-10-14 Thread Gordon Joly
There is, of course, an inquiry underway on that precise question. So everything is sub judice? Gordo ___ Wikimedia UK mailing list wikimediau...@wikimedia.org http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l WMUK: